China Silicon Valley In Lockdown Due to COVID Outbreak

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    Kaarme Ancient Guru

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    I wonder if the wet markets full of wild animals, where these diseases originate in the first place, are still running the same as ever, even when cities are placed in lockdowns elsewhere. It would be quite ironic.
     
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    I would be surprised if anything was done about them. A friend of mine spent half a year in China finding herself which, I have to say, did her a world of good. She said to me never eat the meat in China, it's kept extremely poorly.

    Food health and safety in China is akin to installing a smoke detector in Hell. You know there's a problem.
     
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    Omicron B spreads between people through the air (and most masks) and is extremely infectious - it's impossible to contain without a permanent full lockdown of everything that everyone obeys. In a country like China with that many people in poor overcrowded cities it's an exercise in futility.
     

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    They never managed to track Corona back to a wet market or animal.
     
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    I bet they know exactly where it came from, they just aren't telling you - I mean they are hardly going to say "woops it was us, come sue us for the massive loss of life and the huge financial cost".
     
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    Awful time for those people, having the lockdown imposed on them.
    But little can be done at this point. My thoughts are with locked people unable to go out, socialise and kids to play outside.

    On the other hand, there is some mixed signaling here. Without getting into meat and potatoes, I'll say just this.
    If you want to hear some different opinions about Wuhan and all the information linked to the pandemic, listen to Laowhy86 and Serpentza on YouTube or Odysse.
    One thing is for sure. Every bit of information coming from the CCP ( not the people, the Party) is manipulated or somehow modified.

    Be warned tough, what you'll hear will make your day much, much worse.
    That's the thing about uncover evidence, each pealed layer stinks even worse.

    And to clear things up. I understand that there are wild speculations, conspiracies.
    Just simple easy logic.
    If Shenzen is locked down, further delays and more inflated prices on tech.
     
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    I find the laboratory leak theory hard to believe. When has such a disease ever escaped a laboratory (if we ignore the Resident Evil)? Those beasts at the wet markets have been proven to be full of all kinds of viruses, including a whole genealogy of coronaviruses. Bats in general are really nasty breeding grounds for pathogens. Over here a bat is pretty much the only thing that can give you the mother of all horrible diseases, rabies.
     
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    You are probably right about wet markets. But, have you read Nicholas Wade's article? There’s a lot of clues pointing to a lab leak.
    But yeah, one can’t be sure for now (maybe never).

    Article: https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/
     
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    Ozzy seemed ok after he ate some bat
     
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    In China with it's pretty dodgy health and safety you find it hard to believe a very contagious airborne pathogen might have got out? The fact that all the local doctors who originally reported it got clamped down on suggests someone knew what it was and didn't want it being traced back to them.
     
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    gain-of-function
     
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    Saying this doesn't really mean much. My future father in law worked with pathogens in India - in their lab anything that naturally or intentionally improves an infectious agent's ability to contaminate a target host is referred to as gain of function. When intentional the purpose was to study the potential mutations an agent can take in order to develop drugs (in his case genetically modifying plants) to be more effective against the virus/bacteria/etc for a longer period of time (future mutations).

    I just keep hearing people say "gain of function research" as if it's some buzzword for something nefarious, yet everyone that works in any field that does this type of research says it's pretty normal thing. Unless you can prove that scientists intentionally made coronavirus more infectious and purposely released it, then it's kind of pointless.
     
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    okay, let me say this another way then...

    what are the odds that tiny dot on this Big Globe (Earth) is the exact same dot on Earth that had a virus outbreak right out in front of the research lab that researched this very virus?

    it didn't originate from my neighborhood and something tells me it didn't originate in yours either.

    see the odds there?....sometimes simple math can overrule science or at least point it in the right direction.
     
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    The 20's of the 21st century keeps on giving. God I miss the 10's. Only about 12 years ago, but much more simple it seems.

    I expect prices of everything to go up (again).
     
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    Few things here:

    Nothing in my post states it didn't leak from the lab - just that gain of function doesn't say anything about it being a leak or intentional or really anything at all.

    The Wuhan Institute of Virology was built to research cornovorisues because of the number of coronaviruses endemic to that region. It would be like saying "What are the chances of this massive tornado touching down near a tornado research facility in Kansas?"

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    It's entirely possible this leaked from the lab - I'm not 100% convinced it didn't (more like 90%) but these examples aren't really proving anything and honestly both imply different things anyway. When you use "Gain of function" you're essentially implying the virus was leaked on purpose. When you say "what are the chances" it can be on purpose or an accident. So I'm not even sure which way you're arguing but I also don't think the arguments you're making are very strong to begin with. A better example would be to describe the conditions of the lab, like the level of security or how seriously they took leak precautions, etc and I don't really see people arguing these points generally.
     
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    I'm kind of shocked people still think it came from a wet market honestly. It's also been shown blood banks are now finding blood with covid antibodies from as far back as sept 2019. Which changes the timeline and multiple stories regarding it's infancy and spread.
     
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    Pretty sure they know it came from bats, whether it was lab leaked or not it heavily resembles bat coronaviruses from that region and like 2/3rds of the people with early symptoms are all linked to that wet market. So yeah, maybe it was circulating prior to November when the first symptoms started showing.. but it almost certainly came from that region. And if it didn't then the lab leak story doesn't make sense anyway.
     
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    Connect the dots guys. What are the odds that most house fires start within driving distance of fire departments? Wake up.

    I mean what are the odds you would find a virus that leapt from animals to humans in a market that brings live animals and humans in close, constant contact? I ask you again, what are the odds?

    The better question, the more intelligent question is: What are the odds that, of all the places the infected virologist would've gone in the city, what are the odds they got infected in the Wuhan lab, but spread it at a market that is exactly where you would expect this kind of virus to initiate contact with humans?

    The only surprising thing is that you still believe 11.6% of a section of cancer patients in Italy had COVID before anyone knew about it. When this was reviewed by a university in Rotterdam, they were sent 30 of these samples and they all tested negative.
     
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