CD Projekt RED victim of attack - Source Code Cyberpunk 2077 and The Witcher 3 and more out on the Street

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  1. David3k

    David3k Member Guru

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    Good grief, this thread is overrun by bratty children who can't see past their own noses!

    Despite what anyone believes, CDPR is a studio that will continue to support this game for years, as they have with every other game they've released and, personally, I can't wait for the eventual free Enhanced Edition they'll release of this game.

    Regardless of your personal feelings on the matter, this isn't a good development, nor was it in any way shape or form "deserved".

    For shame!
     
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    I think people are so mad they're stealing the code to fix the game themselves or to just stick it to the company because they feel it didn't live up to all the hype...
     
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    Only thing you "forgot" to mention is the percentage of occurrences (of the fault). Cars by model and production get recalled if X% gets the fault in the field so there is reasonable leeway that the manufacturer couldn't catch the fault because it showed itself on only lets say 10% of the cars after SOME TIME OF USE.

    For them to know their game wasn't up to spec, all they needed to do is RUN IT ONCE ON ANY PLATFORM. There werent X% of customers who got poor performance and unplayable game, it was 100%.

    That for me is criminal intent and a scam. Sorry.

    If anyone watches Gamers Nexus, they just got NZXT to recall one of their cases because PCIE riser that they used is a fire hazard. No one actually got burned (as far as we know), no lives were lost (as far as we know), the fault has extremely low chance of happening unless you repeatedly screw/unscrew one metal screw on the PCB of the riser. That got recalled. The occurrence was in the low one digit % and it still got recalled.

    At launch, for Cyberpunk to show you that it is not finished all you needed to do is run it. It was a shi*storm all around. 3090 getting 15fps and you just go "this is fine"... gimme a break.

    A hack is still a crime, no question there, but have they invited these sort of behavior down on themselves? Well... if you play with fire you get burned, all im sayin.

    EDIT: To all saying "they offered refunds", did they really have an option not to? Its like someone breaks into your home, gets caught and returns all your stuff. That aint a compassionate move, that's a desperate move.
     
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  4. Kevin Mauro

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    Yeah on the refunds, did CD Projekt offer em up before some of the storefronts n retailers did or the other way around?
     

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    Was it dishonourable to release a game they knew was unplayable on the old gen? Sure. Are they going to make it playable? I'd assume so.

    Sorry, but I don't quite understand all these comparisons you are making. It's a video game. It's like you go to a movie theater to watch a movie, which based on the trailer looks great. It turns out of the actual thing is so awful and nothing like the trailer, plus the background music gives you a headache, that you walk out of the theater in the middle of it. Will the theater refund you? Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Nevertheless, even this is a much closer comparison than to compare a bloody video game to cars, houses, and whatnot.

    Good to know a bugged video game is as bad for you as someone violating the privacy of your home and stealing your stuff.

    I might understand your rage a bit better if CDPR/Sony/MS absolutely were refusing refunds, and CDPR was never going to fix the game, to boot. As I recall it, CDPR promised refunds before Sony, at least, was ready to deal with it. I don't really see what exactly the gamers going for the refund route lost. They got their feelings hurt because of the disappointment?
     
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    Every sale is actually a legal contract in which two parties agree on exchanging goods or services for monetary compensation be it video game, movie screening, car or a house purchase. Legally all these are basically the same. If you do not deliver the goods or services as stated by the contract you are in breach. The movie theater obligates that it will show a movie, that is the service, it doesnt have any obligation on artistic quality of the movie. So if their projector for whatever reason wasn't showing the full picture, you are entitled to a refund. If your seat is squeaky, you can get a refund. Most theaters will issue a refund if you only see half of the movie since legally the service was not provided in full. They could argue a partial refund (and win) but it is bad business to do so, most realize that and will refund you in full.

    So, you cant tell me "Are they going to make it playable? I'd assume so." and be cool about it. They have an obligation and a timeframe (launch day) to make it playable or they are in breach of contract and i can demand a refund. Hoping they will, possibly, some day, legally cannot stand.

    Ofc it is not as bad but the principle is the same (previous paragraph). I cannot give credit for offering refund when you have no choice but to offer refunds. Thats not good will, thats something you have to do.

    Where do you see rage tho, lol. As i said there is no way for them to refuse refunds, thats a class action waiting to happen. They had to be "ready to deal with" but they should have done so internally, come out and say that they cannot fulfill the contract on time and issue refunds to whoever is not willing to wait. But there are numerous financial reasons why they didnt do so. It has to do with marketing plans and schedules which cost a pretty penny and whould essentially have to be paid again.

    Those who went the refund route didnt lose anything nor are they entitled to anything more than a refund, but a refund they must get, by law. It is not CDPR's decision or good will.
     
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    to those gamers here who think this is KARMA and REAP WHAT YOU SOW, try making a new novel UI for the simplest calculator app and imagine that being stolen/hacked made public without your knowledge or permission, because your MARKETING agent said your app would be the newest bestest app and hyped everything up. That would be the ideal KARMA you define of. KARMA always has irony mixed with it. CDPR made a game, it wasn't finished, but that doesn't mean stealing it is the answer.

    The amount of rage some people have amassed over a $60 game, against one of the better gaming companies out there, seems like they have turned into the new 47% extremists of the gaming community. Guess the dead in the water saying, "violent games do make violent manchilds" did come out of its grave after all. Pandemic isn't the culprit. Each of us have a choice on our actions.

    If CDPR dies, the only ones at loss is first the pre-orderers, since their game will not be fixed ever. The sane ones who are waiting for a final release will miss a possibly good game but that's about it. But as a whole, the gaming industry will lose a sentinel, that didn't adhere to some if not all, marketing strats to milk its customers like the commercial farms of the dairy/meat industry.
     

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