CD Projekt RED Announces Cyberpunk (part 2)

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  1. metagamer

    metagamer Ancient Guru

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    Agreed. Having pedestrians doing their daily sh1t in the background is super important for the immersive thing of things. Seeing NPCs f*cking about on the streets in GTA V is a big part of what makes that game alive. You can't just have empty streets in a city and pretend it's ok.

    I'll wait for patch 2.9 before I even install this game. Kinda busy right now so no time to play a busted game. Eventually it'll become good, but I'm not going to rush things.

    Merry Xmas to you btw, you mostly jump on everything I say but maybe that's why you stand out to me. Be it in a good way or bad. Still, hope you had a nice Xmas.
     
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  2. TheSissyOfFremont

    TheSissyOfFremont Master Guru

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    Anyone else suspect the shallow population AI might be down to the CPU performance?

    I mean, the game is not light on CPU's as it is - what if they had a significantly more advanced AI for all of the dozens of NPC's on screen?
     
  3. alanm

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    Sure, but that wasnt the point you were making earlier:
    I doubt the crowd density in *this game* is taking much of a toll on the CPU.
     
  4. cerebus23

    cerebus23 Ancient Guru

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    here the thing with the uber npcs.

    it made the city look real in places, a thick dense throng of people you do not see in many open world games, hitman does a good job.

    but hitman 47 moves through crowds naturally.


    in cyberpunk you ignore them or teleport clean past them, there are no physics less you hit/shoot them? some wierd thing there.

    either way now your in a hurry driving or running on foot and now the games teleporting you through everything on the way to wherever, the uber dence crowd appear to be legit for fall apart too quickly and break muh immersion.


    and this game can really immerse you if only it was firing on a few more cylinders, cant wait for proper modding tools.
     

  5. Undying

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    It is taking a toll on the cpu thats why i said most modern 8c/16t cpus does not feel it when you use higher setting. 4core cpu will most definitely notice an improvement with reduced density.
     
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  6. Dragam1337

    Dragam1337 Ancient Guru

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    Actually crowd density is what affects cpu performance the most of any setting in this game. Regardless, there are different settings for a reason - if people were having performance issues due to cpu limitations, they could simply use low or medium crowd density - there was no reason for them to nerf crowd density across all settings.
     
  7. Dragam1337

    Dragam1337 Ancient Guru

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    Yeah, cpu performance constraints is the most likely answer. But i don't understand why they didn't write the game entirely for AVX - would enabled them to push cpu loads much harder.
     
  8. Repo Man

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    If my refund gets declined I'll suffer through this with my X360 controller which is infinitely better than the janky M+KB controls and it makes the games performance issues on older hardware slightly less impactful.
     
  9. TheSissyOfFremont

    TheSissyOfFremont Master Guru

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    Can you think of any first person games that do that? Generally you either ghost through them or they are 100% solid.
    If they were solid then you'd barely be able to move through the crowds.

    In thrid person games like Hitman it's much easier to do the animations because they don't have to move the camera in a jarring way.
     
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  10. TheSissyOfFremont

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    I didn't find the controls janky.

    The only annoying thing was occasionally trying to un-crouch during a phone call and skipping dialogue accidentally.
     
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  11. INSTG8R

    INSTG8R Ancient Guru

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    Yeah and I am an OG C crouch user but it being the skip dialogue as well is very annoying I just use my game pad for driving. Controls are great except for the C thing and no way/key to walk is a bit of an oversight as well
     
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  12. Repo Man

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    For me the mouse movement just feels totally off, like there's a certain floatyness to it as if you have V-sync on or something which I don't. It's super difficult to aim for headshots or do anything requiring precision. It also feels like the game is applying mouse acceleration, as in you turn slowly and your view turns really slow but if you make a fast movement with your wrist you completely overshoot whatever you were planning to aim at. I haven't changed any of my mouse settings in windows or in G-HUB and all other games seem fine so I'm pretty sure its just because of my PC being ancient ( hopefully not for long ).
     
  13. Netherwind

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    I'm trying to understand how this mod works. I'm using an older version which I think doesn't have some of the features that are now included.
    How do I disable features? "Remove pedestrians and traffic" for example, I don't want to have barren streets. "Disable Async Compute" I heard isn't good at all for RTX cards...and so on.
     
  14. XenthorX

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    Highlighting the detail loss with TAA at native compared to DLSS performance mode.
    Actually, any one/two pixels information, or even one/two pixels line, is washed out with TAA. Think outline of a reflective object (a car) that will have wrong color on its outline, or emissive objects seen at angle.


    TAA vs DLSS performance
    https://imgsli.com/MzUzNDA

    TAA vs DLSS performance + sharpening
    https://imgsli.com/MzUzNDI

    TAA vs DLSS balanced + sharpening
    https://imgsli.com/MzUzNDE

    TAA vs DLSS quality + sharpening
    https://imgsli.com/MzUzNDM

    DLSS Performance vs DLSS Quality (both with Sharpening)
    https://imgsli.com/MzUzNDQ


    TAA
    [​IMG]

    DLSS Performance (no sharpening)
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  15. theoneofgod

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    Injects code at launch.

    Edit config here
    /plugins/cyber_engine_tweaks/config.json
     
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  16. skacikpl

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    TAA is heavy handed in this engine by design because has lots of single pixel specular aliasing, it's very visible when you disable TAA. Nearly any scene you can imagine in the game is riddled with reflective shimmers that they just offhanded for TAA to filter out.
     
  17. Dragam1337

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    Even with dlss quality mode, you do get fairly significant loss to fine texture detail - even the dlss loving youtube channels also acknowledges this.



    You can make some of it up with sharpening filters, but it completely changes the look, and is very uncomfortable for my eyes.

    That said, dlss is (sadly in my opinion) a necessary evil in this game, due to performance restraints.
     
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  18. WhiteLightning

    WhiteLightning Don Illuminati Staff Member

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    When it comes to gameplay mechanics this game is really dumb. pedestrians or cars block each other, when you shoot one guy , all the other guys know exactly where you are even if you are behind a wall. This is like the gameplay from 15 years ago.
     
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    Yep, your right. Didnt expect that. 6 cores and up seem to do best.
    [​IMG]
     
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  20. alanm

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    Yeah, didnt like the crowd behaviour. AI can be poor. Also annoying are the the zombie walkers who all have the same characteristic walk. But the look of the food markets with all the crowds does give it a nice lively feel, if your OK with overlooking the discrepancies.
     

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