Car Companies: Stop Your Huge Data Collection Programs

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  1. jaggerwild

    jaggerwild Master Guru

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    The UAW went on strike here in the USA, no cars being built here in the last week. That includes all major builders, Ford Honda, etc.

    I have a cousin that works for GM, I'm pretty sure they were stock piling parts for this so the SCABS(slang for non union)could do work. I seem to recall an over abundance of new cars, or people aren't buying 100K cars as they thought people would.
     
  2. Kool64

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    I’m glad I bought my truck used.
     
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    I think theres two events that have effected new car sales, one is the fall out from Covid and how that changed peoples views on saving and spending, and also the enforced change from ICE to electric.
     
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    Talking to a bloke yesterday about his new car. With the new tech on it that he basically has to fight it. Saying he has to second guess what his car wants to do when he is driving it.
    I told him about cars phone home now with all the operational data etc.
    We both came to the conclusion that this data was to assist in making cars totally autonomous.
    The thing is we don't want autonomous cars. Heck, I don't even want an automatic. :rolleyes:
     

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  6. pegasus1

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    Well he can turn it off, or leave it on and be thankfull when its stops him running over the person who steps into the road and he didnt notice, when it stops him changing lanes into the overtaking car he didnt notice, when it stops him reversing into the post he didnt notice, when it alerts him to having left his handbrake off, or not put on his seatbelt, or left his door open, or when he falls asleep as the wheel, or when he wander into another lane while looking at his phone.
    Yeah they can be a pain sometimes but here's a top tip, if he is fighting the steering wheel when changing lanes, use the indicator so everybody knows you are changing lanes as often the features that annoy many people will either stop an accident or hinder some from being inconsiderate drivers.
    Or just read the manual and turn them off.
     
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  7. Zooke

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    Some of the data being collected by your car is far too valuable to security services for it to be curtailed.
    For this reason there will be no government mandate to stop collecting it.
     
  8. pegasus1

    pegasus1 Ancient Guru

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    Examples?
     
  9. Zooke

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    The examples are in the OP, having access to that and precise locations is something only the most naive would believe was not of interest to government spying agencies.
    They already do it on devices such as phones and computers so I wonder why you would think that they would not exploit this cache of information too.
    If access to this information is not already freely offered by car companies, The NSO Group specialise in these sort of things.
    Although wikipedia is hardly trustworthy, this page gives a general idea of what they do and who they sell it to.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSO_Group
     
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    Ha ha ha ha real life is not Netflix i can assure you, do you know the sheer number of resources required just to track a single target, obviously not as you must be 100% a civvy as you've quoted Wiki. There's no hijacking traffic cameras to follow suspects, there's no redirecting satellites to follow a car leaving the Russian embassy, these things just do not happen in real life, if they did then 9/11 or 7/7 would never of happened.
     

  11. Zooke

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    I have not suggested those things at all.
    However I'm not sure you would deny the existance of Pegasus (oddly by coincidence this is your username too), software that enabled real time use of the camera, microphone, location data, messages, phone calls, the list goes on.
    But of course there are court cases, where records are pulled up from the past, an internet search history for instance has been used in a number of court cases if my memory serves me correctly. Geolocation data also places people when required.
    I'm not sure what your objections are to my comments, it's almost as if you are trying to deny that data collection to be used at a later date in potential prosecutions and spying goes on.
    And it's not just ordinary people either.
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...european-officials-through-danish-2021-05-30/
     
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  12. anticupidon

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    The biggest trick that the devil ever pulled, was that he doesn't exist.
    Data collection is real and it is both a source or income and a tool to spy on users.
    Any closed system that doesn't let the user decide, it can and it is abused. Don't think for a second that car manufacturer are friendly and looking for customers interest.
     
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    I agree with Zooke on this one, governments are controlling us by using tech developed by companies to serve us ads. They don`t track us individually at close range but i really believe they have individual files about all of us with basic info like our most likely locations, our habitual purchases and so on.
    And i wouldn`t be surprised if they have been using AI for a few years to do all this "dirty" work.

    My only hope is that all of this is so expensive that maybe is not worth chasing...
     

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