Car Companies: Stop Your Huge Data Collection Programs

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  1. AuerX

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    Car Companies: Stop Your Huge Data Collection Programs

    Nowadays, our cars are anything but a private space — they are full blown data collection nightmares on wheels.

    New Mozilla research has revealed that popular global car brands — like Chevrolet, Nissan, Toyota, Kia, Audi, Jeep, Honda, Volkswagen, and more — are collecting your deeply personal data, like your genetic information and sexual activity. This invasive harvesting of information is collected via a web of sensors, microphones, cameras and the phones, apps, and connected services you use in your vehicle.

    Car companies are brazenly collecting deeply personal information about people the moment they get into a car, often without explicit consent to do so. And that’s why the Mozilla community is now coming together to force car companies to respect our right to privacy. Add your name to ask car companies to stop collecting, sharing and selling our very personal information.



    Find out more about our research on cars in the official launch blog post.

    Link to petition:

    https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/p...-stop-your-huge-data-collection-programs-en/?
     
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  2. vestibule

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    Some thing does need to be done about the global accumulation data. Some say it is never thrown away, but kept forever.
    Apparently new data has a short life and is typically accessed the most in its first 3 months, there after its mostly forgotten.
    Keeping all this data is inefficient. And with data centers contributing to global warming. It would seem some smart legislation is required for dead data to be purged.
     
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    There is more to that, than we ever imagined.
    Cars, as object loose value as the time goes by. They sell it to you, and the only time manufacturer gets money off of you is when you service the car or buy replacement parts. That's it.
    But by having a CaaS, Car as a Service, it increase value for the manufacturer, but not for you. Moreover, you get stripped off your data, just because they can and you are none the wiser.
    You cling to your old car, whichever model that refuses to die and you can cheaply service yourself? Well, let's put some regulations, taxes and call you whatever name is trendy, to ensure that your are eternally ashamed or canceled by your "carbon footprint".
    By now, some of you already caught my drift.:cool:
     
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    But the data centers will held the metadata. Not the data in itself. That's very convenient, as in space required.
    That's enough. And it is very efficient to cross check another fresh batch of data, because of your oh so many accounts and digital IDs.
     
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    That's why I am still clinging on to my old, vile, deprecated, environment enemy car.
    Basic electronics, can fix it myself and no data collections. Because there is no such thing as spyware OS or sensors to be taking advantage of.
     
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    My motor is 10 years old now. Its does 60 MPG and theoretically it gets greener the longer I keep it.
    But yeah, I did read a quality news report that you should not buy a car in the UK after 2019 manufacture..
     
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    That's easily "fixed" by adding the GPL/LPG system to a car.
    But not everyone knows about that and even less will take the plunge.
    EU regulations loophole is regarding GPL as an alternative, greener fuel and they'll give you the green sticker. Like all taxi car do, here in Spain...
     
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    Lol. :D
     
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    Companies already have gigantic amounts of data about us, 90% of it useless, so I have no trouble believing they really erase older data.

    Specially because most are only interested in selling our info to those junk publicity companies, so they can spam stupid ads like:" multimillionaires don't want you to know this simple trick!"...
     
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    Dang ! i did not know that :/ . It seems everything built within the last 10 years is doing this :eek:.

    Thats it , from now on i will use my grand children tricycle ... no more cars for me !
    :D

    ppp.jpg
     
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    Don't text and drive!
     
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    Glad to not own a car, because this is nutty
     
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    Can we do one better than avoid them collecting data, like give them false information and really mess with the process?
     
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    Well, you could fit a device to scramble all nearby wifi signals etc, but, I think that would be illegal and probably interfere with other potential crucial municipal systems nearby, and therefore should be avoided...you could place the computer brain itself inside a Faraday cage....you could do what I do and just get cabs everywhere and pay the cabbie with cash.

    I like to carry a faraday case around with me for my mobile, so it does not track my movements (turning it off is never a good idea) and they are only...10-20 bones each for a phone, and you can get bigger ones for tablet+phone carry cases.

    Far too much tracking of citizens by 'big tech' and I am kinda sick of the level of data they collect.

    Anyone wants to win the next election? Just ban all tracking by phones, as the power they have gained as a result in terms of AI training data would blow your mother fracking minds.

    Bing AI search generates (roughly) $5 BILLION in revenue each year, and it is nowhere near the top search system...I dare to think what Google are making in revenue each year from searches alone.

    As an example, the reason why YouTube cannot be beaten is because it is not designed to be profitable in of itself, it is a training tool for searching and w/e else Google want to use it for in terms of training their bots. You want numbers? No problem

    YOUTUBE REVENUE $3.5BN YOUTUBE COST $5BN.

    You read that right, If another company wants to 'beat' YouTube, they must be willing to EAT $1.5 BILLION each year. Just for context, imagine having $1million, and then burning it...and then, doing that again One Thousand Five Hundred Times.

    Big Tech has far too much power, and the auto industry are more than happy to sit down at the pig trough and munch on that big tech money by selling their data.
     
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    People complaining that their car collects personal data, same people post pictures of their kids first day at school showing name, face and school uniform.
    Same people posting pictures of their house, valuables, when they are leaving to go on holiday, how long they are away.
    Same people answering those FB questionairs asking for obvious password references.
    Same people have exotic home security systems with impenetrable doors, yet leave them wide open while they unload their shopping.
    The list goes on and on, but let's complain that our Samsung TV might listen to us getting a knee trembler from the pool cleaner.
     
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    Yes, answer every question with just two words - ' Morgan Freeman', I've been doing this for maybe eight years now.
     
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    @pegasus1
    When they catch you, they will take you away. You will know when your time is up because they will be wearing white lab coats and sporting clip boards.
    Be prepared to piss your self if they have black ties.
    You cannot hide behind your hardware fire wall or untraceable VPN.
    They are coming to get you M8.
    It was fun whilst it lasted. cheery bye. :(
     
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    Dont connect your car to internet and dont bring it in for services, your smart phone is doing way worse. VPN also dont make you untraceable or hide you.

    I will never understand why people go on about these companies datamining , when damn near every person has smart phone that doing exactly that but people have issue with it
     
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    During Covid, we had to sign into every shop, this lasted about four months but in that time I began to run out of fake names. I started using UFC fighters past and present but I ran out in a week, then film and TV people, footballers, sports people in general, I then moved onto London Underground station names, surprising how many actually sound like real names (Theydon Bois and Stepney Green were my favourites), I then just went with Morgan Freeman for every shop, obviously I never used my actual phone number anyway.
     
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    Outside of personal security I don't care what anybody knows about me. Private conversations that will include sensitive data are done face to face, but if the corperations or the Chinese government learn I met another Hungarian Vizsla at the beach while walking my dog this morning, well then had a coffee after, yeah, thats no biggie.
     

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