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Discussion in 'The Guru's Pub' started by Nomadspy, Jul 28, 2012.

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  1. Salsoolo

    Salsoolo Active Member

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    rofl whats the difference? im not just talking about soviet era.

    ps. did you try living under communism to say its really that good? :D
    trust me, the perfect system would be a goverment thats clear of crooks!
     
  2. PR-0927

    PR-0927 Ancient Guru

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    Yeah, the USSR's ridiculous invasion and occupation of Afghanistan for 9 years totally didn't happen...

    Or their proxy wars with the U.S. in Korea, Indochina, and Latin America...

    And of course their occupation of Hungary and the Warsaw Pact's invasion of Czechoslovakia was just a figment of our imaginations.

    Seriously man, if you're gonna' get involved talking about international politics/history, do yourself a favor and don't parrot the talking points of a nation/alliance. No powerful nation on this Earth actually minds its own business, and that's very unlikely to change.

    - PR-0927
     
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  3. scipio

    scipio Ancient Guru

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    Ohhhh.... the thread to nowhere.....
     
  4. Nomadspy

    Nomadspy Master Guru

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    Ok first of all nice bulgarian :)

    Second you probably don't know what people here want and think.Sorry don't want to insult you or tell you that you know nothing about Bulgaria because you are obviously familiar with lol Our country NEVER been better when it was Communism.People were happy,it was super safe to walk at night outside not afraid of criminals,we had free healthcare,free education,no unemployed people,army was strong.And the army is my most painful subject here.We had cutting edge technologies and hardware from the Russians for some cheap prices.I'm talking about new stuff.Now in NATO the US government want to sell us their 30+ years old useless F-16's for some sky high money.
    You really should understand that the Communism was the best thing ever happened to my country.Now we are poor,some people starve and the army shrinks every year.The young Bulgarian people who wanted to bring down the Communism 20 years ago now are crying for doing it.But who can blame them.Week brainwashed by the Hollywood and western media and entertainment minds.We sold our freedom to the "others" and that's the truth.
    Now by saying uniting with Russia doesn't have to do anything with Communism.Russia is as capitalistic as USA or UK.It's filthy democracy over there for about 22 years
     
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  5. HeavyHemi

    HeavyHemi Ancient Guru

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    Teenagers....always think they know it all. :)
     
  6. Nomadspy

    Nomadspy Master Guru

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    Most certainly more than you do :)
     
  7. HeavyHemi

    HeavyHemi Ancient Guru

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    That would most certainly depend upon the topic. I will grant you that I have probably forgotten more than you think you know.
     
  8. Speed Weed

    Speed Weed Maha Guru

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    Don't worry about it, Nomadspy!
    You do eventually get used to being watched in the supermarket by 'mums' who would have you believe that they are in the supermarket looking for breakfast cereals, or the none-too-subtle clicks when you pick up the phone, or even the occasional bsod on a perfectly stable rig when they are monitoring your online activities! ;)
    The time to really begin worrying is when your front door comes crashing down about 1am, and you are whisked away in a car with smoked glass windows wearing nothing but pyjamas.
     
  9. PR-0927

    PR-0927 Ancient Guru

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    Eh, you're overlooking the important linchpin in all this - "shock therapy." Capitalism and democracy have NOT been the culprits of Bulgaria's sluggish GDP growth, shrinking military, and decreasing scientific investment.

    "Shock therapy" has.

    This is what plenty of Eastern European nations did when the U.S.S.R. collapsed - immediately switched from a planned economy to a market-based capitalistic one. No easing. Immediate switch. This is also why plenty of Eastern European nations suffer today.

    Russia was smart enough not to do this (via glasnost and perestroika policies). At least until Yeltsin ****ed it all up by also pursuing "shock therapy" policies and sent Russia into a nosedive. Putin continued to pursue market-based principles for the Russian economy, albeit with some other reforms, and rescued the Russian economy (I still think he's a total dick, but he did a great job there).

    Bulgaria and the entire planet have also been hit HARD by economic woes quite recently. China, which was sitting at roughly 11% GDP growth two years ago, just collapsed to about 7.5% growth because of the world economic situation (and internal problems). India's situation is almost identical (from 9.4% to 5.3%).

    And the U.K.'s GDP growth rate is negative at the moment. -0.8% to be exact.

    - PR-0927
     
  10. Foamy4

    Foamy4 Master Guru

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    They're messing with your phone; they want you to know you're in the radar without letting you know...if you get me? :D

    Have you checked your house for bugs, hidden cameras and stuff?
     
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  11. kanej2007

    kanej2007 Ancient Guru

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    Lol, your pushing it now, your scaring the poor guy...
     
  12. Extraordinary

    Extraordinary Ancient Guru

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    You made a bad choice of usernames for someone who is paranoid about governments
     
  13. CronoGraal

    CronoGraal Ancient Guru

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    was thinking the same thing
     
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    dsbig Ancient Guru

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    some one keeps calling me and leaving voice mails with music playing.....:3eyes:


    where I used to live, planes would fly low over my house and rise back up after flying over
     
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  15. jbmcmillan

    jbmcmillan Ancient Guru

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    Let me guess you live by an airport.:wanker:
     

  16. tweakpower

    tweakpower Banned

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    Well there is a difference, but as i said, every country in history did the same and even worse (remember black slaves, indians etc.), that's just a part of Earth history.

    I actually lived in communist country (hybrid really, with socialism, well both have same basics indeed), and i can tell you that is the best part of my life ;). Your gov. etc. just scared you, and keeps you non educated about that topic (for interest ofc.). Most people don't even know what communism stands for, and they are eager enough to speak about it.

    I still think that is the best system ever implemented in society, but never implemented fully. It is about social justice, something that distinct us as specie from animals, democracy and capitalism are based on animal instinct, stronger (or majority) wins, no matter if they are right or wrong. In communism, there is only one who is right, and to be honest, that in most cases is true. Unfortunately, as i said, it was never done properly, and that proves just that we as specie are not mature enough to be so advanced (on social level etc.).

    Actually it happened, but it would never happen if US didn't give (money...) support to Mujahideen, who was a threat to USSR, and supported by opposite force (at that time) in order to crush USSR system.

    "The Soviet occupation of Hungary, followed the defeat of Hungary in World War II, lasted for 45 years ending in 1991 shortly before the collapse of the Soviet Union" from Wikipedia. That shows that anyone can write there...

    That actually is actually figment of your imagination. After WW2, USSR did occupied Hungary, but that was necessity, and it lasted only for short period of time, and they was gone away frome there very soon... at least i know that, you know... Hungary is next to me... +Hungarians was on Hitler side, nothing more to say about it. But what with Japan and US? Is Japan free now? I don't think so.

    "Invasion" to Czechoslovakia was the same scenario as Afghanistan, US and latter formed (or at that time) NATO did know that they can't defeat Russian (or USSR at time) in direct war, but they always put that as goal (for some reason..), so, they can't attack, then pay "liberation" in countries that are already free, and good with USSR in order to get them on your side. Bad thing is, that after those "liberations", new free Country is usually brought by Countries that helped "liberation" and are poor (getting lower living standards, and basically are slaves to counties that "liberate" them). Warsaw Pact, didn't want to allow that for human reasons, and for personal interest. + it was lasted for 1 day.

    On the other hand, that is true, no powerful nation mind their own business, but there is a different way how they can impact on others. When talk about history we should get facts straight, not fictive history written by those who did the worst to this world (even more that Hitler, he was a little baby...).

    Anyways, far away from NATO/EU, always good for small country, and their interest. I don't want to go deep into topic, i got enough even now to confuse you. Now you can tell that i don't know history good, or is corrupted, but i didn't lived in the box, nor i had any side in that cold war and so on, from neutral and objective point of view, that's what happened.
     
  17. Noisiv

    Noisiv Ancient Guru

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    Sorry but it's beyond funny to listen someone from Serbia giving lessons to others, and talk about slaves and indians.

    Your country has led 3 wars, caused hundreds of k of deaths,
    and has committed genocide against own population, as well as against neighboring Bosnian.

    And all this in the heart of Europe, at the dawn of 21 century.

    So you lose all these wars, lose your own territory, and eventually get lucky for not being bombed back to the stone age.

    But wait, maybe people of Serbia has learned something out of all this? Like ze germans, right!
    So what happens next?

    Well some idiot, that is regarded as somewhat of a demigod in your country,
    assassinates only pro-democratic president that Serbia has ever had.

    And you guys elect a freaking chetnik as the President. In the year 2012!

    As I've said - beyond funny....
     
  18. JohnMaclane

    JohnMaclane Ancient Guru

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    Your historical memory is severely screwed up dude.

    How was occupying Hungary a necessity? The soviet union breached most of the Yalta accords on the eastern occupied territories and you want to tell us they were the good guys? Pleasssse you have to be crazy to defend soviet action in the immediate post war era. Have you forgotten how they even broke the pact of ensuring land access to west Berlin? a concious decision to starve millions of Germans out of spite.

    No one is denying that the US didn't do some screwed up **** during the cold war. The USSR however was no angel either in their foreign policy shenanigans supporting communist terrorism and parties all over Europe, supplying north Vietnam in gigantic proportions,giving the atomic bomb to the Chinese, spying and murdering its own citizens and enforcing cultural isolationism (what north Korea does).

    Plus we already had you saying the whole Kosovo thing was a NATO conspiracy and that nothing of interest was going on at the time.
     
  19. Nomadspy

    Nomadspy Master Guru

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    I thought they would think i'm one of them :3eyes:
     
  20. tweakpower

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    Sorry, i was quoted you by mistake. I'm sorry, i can't explain to you without post longer than whole page here, and now i don't have time to type, read my posts here, and you will draw cocnlusion how. Or research a bit if you are interested. Cheers.
     
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