Budget Build

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  1. jeked

    jeked Active Member

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    OK, so i thought i would build my family a cheap computer that would be able to play most low-medium range games. After a little searching i found the following 'deal' at mwave.com.au and thought i could build off of this.

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    http://www.mwave.com.au/sku-87770157-DIY_November_Kit_Aywun_A1_977B_Black_Mid_Tower_Chassis_with_500W_PSU_+_ASRock_H6

    Given this is to be a budget build i have been looking at the following:

    Case + PSU: Aywun A1-977B Black Mid Tower Chassis with 500W PSU
    Mobo: ASRock H61DEL Motherboard
    Graphics: HIS Radeon HD 5450 Silence Video Card - 1024MB
    Note: Above 3 items are from the $100 'deal'. see link above

    RAM: 2x4GB G.Skill Dual Channel Memory Kit - DDR3-1333MHz - $39.99
    http://www.mwave.com.au/sku-37140868-G_Skill_8GB_Dual_Channel_Memory_Kit_DDR3_1333_PC3_10600_CAS_Latency_9_9_9_24_240

    CPU: Intel core i5 2500k - $235.00
    http://www.mwave.com.au/sku-19010218-Intel_Core_i5_2500K_3_30GHz_Quad_Core_Socket_LGA1155_95W_TDP_4x256KB_L2_6MB_L3_C
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    Intel Core i3 2120 - $143.90
    http://www.mwave.com.au/sku-19010220-Intel_Core_i3_2120_Dual_Core_Processor_Socket_LGA1155_3_3GHz_2x_256KB_L2_3MB_Sha

    SSD: Kingston 8GB 2.5" SATA II - $46.40
    Kingston SSDNow S100 8GB 2.5" SATA II Internal Solid State Drive - Read 90MB/s & Write 30MB/s (SS100S2/8G)
    HDD: Seagate 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" - $89.99
    http://www.mwave.com.au/sku-22040460-Seagate_Barracuda_ST500DM002_500GB_7200_RPM_16MB_Cache_SATA_6_0Gb_s_3_5_quot_Int

    Going with the i5 i would be looking at around $500 dollars. Could i build a similar spec computer for less?

    So based on this computer specs would it be able to handle most games? Obviously not things like crysis or elder scrolls but lower end games.

    In addition do all these parts work together/compatible?
     
  2. DualCORE1

    DualCORE1 Master Guru

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    think 2500k would a overkill with that graphics card better going with the i3 unless your willing to spend more on graphics card also if your motherboard is 1155 socket the processor will be compatible link isn't working for me so cant check
     
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  3. jeked

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    Yes the mono is compatible with 1155 pretty sure. I can spend more on graphics if needed but will the current on play most current games?
     
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  5. DualCORE1

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    yeah both will be fine for playing games at fairly decent settings as i3 even though its a dualcore is pretty fast dualcore
    also with ssd i would go for at least 40gb 60gb if you want to install a game on their but 8gb wouldnt be enough for os as you need at least about 25gb for os and programs depending what programs you install but i think with graphics card you may only be able to play on low/meduim as latest current games need a pretty fast card to be able to run at decent frames but proccessor is fine for budget system build
     
  6. jeked

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    With the ssd I was thinking of using it as a cache for the hdd. Is that possible with such a small ssd? As for the rest of your advice , thank you
     
  7. DualCORE1

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    np, not to sure on using a 8gb sdd drive as a cache only drive but theirs a few guides out their
    heres a guide but mentions using 64gb ssd drive http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=684542
    i have just got my sdd drive with just os/programs and boot time is fast anyways plus launching programs is fast no waiting as soon as you click to launch program its loaded in 2 seconds so i dont see need for separate cache drive
     
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  8. sykozis

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    An 8GB SSD is pretty well useless unless you're planning to use it for "Ready Boost".

    There's not point whatsoever in putting an i5 2500K on an H61 motherboard as the H61 chipset won't permit overclocking, which is what the K series processors are intended for. Also the H61 chipset does not support Intel's "Smart Response Technology"....which requires at least a 20GB SSD anyway.
     
  9. jeked

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    Ok so in that case I'll scrap the ssd and choose the i3 CPU mentioned in initial post.

    In regards to a low cost ssd it would need to be around 120gb for it to be worth correct? Ie OS is 25gb as base install the. Basic utile and programs and anti virus. If its to be used for low end gaming then games tend to be min 2gb these days. Am I correct that a percentage of ssd is required to be free for optimal drive performance? If so 64gb sound a little small for main or OS/game drive...
     
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    get the i3 and a better video card, scrap the ssd
     

  11. sykozis

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    Yes, for optimal performance you need to maintain a bit of free space on the drive. 64GB is pretty well the smallest usable drive for Windows. You don't really need 8GB of ram either. 4GB would be sufficient, if there's a notable price difference.
     
  12. jeked

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    Could you recommend a cheap graphics card in that case?

    Also, @skyozis:
    Is the an amount, like 5% or something or just a few gb or something?

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    After looking around im thinking a cheap GPU might be the GTS460. Its sub $100 and has decent performance. I would rather the GTX550 but i cant afford it atm....maybe upgrade in the future..

    EVGA GTS460 512MB - $79 + $13 shipping ($92)
    http://www.skycomp.com.au/item/EVGA-PCIe-GTS450-512MB-783MHz--1566MHz--2-x-DVI-DL--Mini-HDMI.aspx
    OR
    Galaxy GF GTS 450 1GB - $102 + $17 shipping ($119)
    http://penta.com.au/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=61183

    Thoughts on these GPUs? would there be much difference between brands here on the lower end of the GPU market?
     
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  13. xKrNMBoYx

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    so what is your budget? or am i suppose to calculate that from the list of prices of components in your first post
     
  14. Agent-A01

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    Yeah what is budget?
     
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    Budget is the cheapest build possible while still being able to play most low-mid range games currently on the market. If I had to set a limit I would say ...600 max but cheaper is better
     

  16. Lethal Abz

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    Do you really need ssd as a cache for something that will only be used for budget gaming. You could just use some of your RAM as Vram Disk and allocate it as a drive for the caching..
     
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    I was thinking of using the SSD as a cache in order to speed up the HDD operation hut since the initial post i think i have gone down this route:

    Case + PSU: Aywun A1-977B Black Mid Tower Chassis with 500W PSU - $39.99
    Mobo: ASRock H61DEL Motherboard - $59.99
    CPU: Intel Core i3 2120 - $143.90

    Graphics: Galaxy GF GTS 450 1GB - $102 + $17 shipping ($119)
    RAM: 2x4GB G.Skill Dual Channel Memory Kit - DDR3-1333MHz - $39.99
    HDD: Seagate 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" - $89.99

    Bringing the total to: $492

    Would this be suitable for budget gaming? Or could i build it cheaper?

    Regards
     
  18. Agent-A01

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    About as cheap as it can get. Also, be careful with psus that come with a case; they are generally overrated and wont work well at all. Your 500 watt could very likely be rated for 500watts peak and 450watts continuous. Also for gaming, i would atleast go for a 550TI/GTX 460
     
  19. sykozis

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    The closer you get to filling the drive, the slower it will get. It's generally not recommended to use the full capacity of any drive, mechanical or SSD. Like I said, 64GB is pretty well the smallest drive you can use for an OS, but that mean putting everything except OS, drivers and A/V software on a mechanical drive. The H61 chipset doesn't support Intel's "Smart Response Technology"....so you'd either have to switch to a Z68 based motherboard (increased cost) or find a 3rd party application to handle caching to the drive. In either case, you'd need a larger SSD.

    The build you have outlined in your last post is pretty respectable. I'll have to agree with Agent-A01 in his recommendation for a GTX460 or 550Ti. To save a bit of money, you could get by on 2x2GB instead of 2x4GB, but I'd imagine the cost saving isn't very drastic.
     
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    I have a 60GB os drive, only thing on it is well the os and drivers and other program data. I have 45GB free so yes 64gb is plenty
     

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