Black-boxes mandatory in US Cars by 2015

Discussion in 'The Guru's Pub' started by Outrance, Apr 25, 2012.

  1. nhlkoho

    nhlkoho Ancient Guru

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    You people are ridiculous. It's not the government that produces these boxes. It's also not just the US that uses these devices. Honda, VW, Mercedes, BMW, and just about every other new car has these devices in them. You probably just don't know your car has one until you get into an accident and your insurance company makes them pull the data.
     
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    Outrance Ancient Guru

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    hmm didn't know that. So manufacturers are putting GPS enabled "black-boxes" in almost every new car? And recording all the data?
     
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  3. nhlkoho

    nhlkoho Ancient Guru

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    No they don't contain GPS currently. With the exception of maybe OnStar for GM cars but I think that is separate from the blackbox.

    It's not a constant recording either. If you get into an accident the computer dumps all recent data into the blackbox so it can be retrieved if necessary.

    Say if you get into an accident and you kill someone, the data in the blackbox could be used against you in court to prove that you were driving like a maniac.
     
  4. eat@joes

    eat@joes Maha Guru

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    I think it's perfectly fine as long as insurance companies don't change your rates by pulling data off it, or raise your rates if you have an old car without one. I believe Cadillac includes them with their cars as well as newer Toyotas. It's only bad if the insurance companies use them to make money off you.
     

  5. nhlkoho

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    You can't pull data remotely off of them. You have to physically have the black box in hand to get any data out of it.
     
  6. Anfield82

    Anfield82 Maha Guru

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    Don't see anything wrong so why not?
     
  7. Azarobi

    Azarobi Master Guru

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    Technically, you can.
     
  8. AbjectBlitz

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    They have been going on about similar schemes here in the UK. They can stick it and I would take my chances in every possible way to disable such rubbish or I might as well sell my motorbike and ride a bicycle.
     
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    Meh, just enjoying the simple fact that this is coming just too damn soon after the Supreme Court ruling in US vs Jones, barring the FBI from putting GPS trackers on cars at their own discretion, so it's actually FUN to explore the possibilities of a hidden agenda behind it. And existing EDR boxes aren't necessarily comparable to/compatible with what the US government has in mind with the mandatory boxes, or even accessible for anyone, as was the case with reading the Prius EDR boxes for which ONE laptop was available in the US. Any extra cost will likely be paid by US consumers.
     
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    sykozis Ancient Guru

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    This is the part that interests me the most...
    That makes it sound like the vehicle owner is directly responsible for having such device installed on their new 2015 or newer vehicle......

    Fortunately, this won't affect insurance companies in my state very much. My state has a set of guidelines the insurance companies are required to follow....such as requiring the insurance companies to pay on any claim submitted to them. I've had fun in the past with this guideline after an insurance company tried to deny a claim. It's also not the insurance company that decides who's at fault here....it's the police that determine fault.
     

  11. hallryu

    hallryu Don Altobello

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    I'm against these sorts of schemes on so many levels. I hate being monitored do anything.
     
  12. mezball

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    +1 Really we the people of the United states might as well just give up on this freedom talk I hear so many people talk much about. What freedom? Sorry I'm 50 years old, and when I was growing up there was so much more you could do, compared to now. Sometimes I wish all this technology we have created never had happened. We would be better off back in the horse and buggy days.
     
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    dukedave5200 Ancient Guru

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    This isn't about monitoring you, or tracking you, or anything of the like. It's an "event" recorder, not a tracking device. In my opinion this is far better than the alternatives (tire skid analysis, eye witnesses, etc.) As has already been mention a lot of cars already have them and it's not like you are even aware of it if you do - is the government knocking at your door for speeding, or driving recklessly? No... The information contained in black box is very limited time or history wise. I think this is a good idea and I'm a huge freedom type guy who can't stand any kind of government monitoring, etc.
     
  14. hallryu

    hallryu Don Altobello

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    They will be used to increase premiums and invalidate claims. If Insurance companies are in favour then they are only good for one thing, Insurance companies.
     
  15. KCjoker

    KCjoker Ancient Guru

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    Here's what this would really accomplish....used/older cars would skyrocket in price since they don't have the black boxes being in higher demand. Then we'll have yet another wasteful Cash for Clunkers program to get those older cars off the road.
     

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    Cameras would be the better choice. Already you can record a lot of information from your car's OBD2 connector and a recorder, such as engine health, RPM, speed and much more.
    I'm installing a dash cam in my car soon enough, but i was considering also adding side and rear cameras.
    Only time someone wouldn't want something like this in an accident, is if it's their fault. As for privacy, as long as it's a closed system, there aren't really any privacy concerns.
     
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    It won't happen and black boxes are something that belong in F-15 Eagles, not a consumer vehicle. It is a violation of privacy laws and would serve no greater purpose in the end. Its just another threat of big hand control that will never see the light of day
     
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    Who wants to do preorders from shady car repair men who can hack ur blackbox :)
     
  19. JohnMaclane

    JohnMaclane Ancient Guru

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    eh?

    It's obvious why the insurance companies are in favour. It would make traffic cops and the sometimes long convoluted process of assigning fault obsolete.

    Someone crashes; check black boxes and assign fault = no hassle.

    You honestly think the majority of people would give up buying a new car because of a black box? Its an event recorder not a GPS tracking station or a government sanctioned mega spy project.
     
  20. -Ruin-

    -Ruin- Maha Guru

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    All the more reason I will keep investing in older cars :)
     

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