best value system atm. what would you change /eu zone/

The second ones you linked are F4-3600C16D-32GTRS and are not found by / unknown to bdie finder. Are you sure they got bdie?

 

Yes becuase its a cl16-16-16, any ram with such latency is bdie 99% of the time.

Or higher frequency 4000-4266., with anything bellow e.g. 16-19-19 still is, those with cl16-22-22 aren't.


That said i bite the bullet on royals, actually some turbo bin 4400 cl17-18-18 , got it a little cheaper 314e
https://geizhals.eu/g-skill-trident-z-royal-silber-dimm-kit-32gb-f4-4400c17d-32gtrs-a2533957.html


Will be here on thursday, going to sell off my old gskill neo 3600 cl16 and i5 10500 to friend so in end it will actually cost me only 105-110e.

 

Nope, you can end up with Hynix DJR on GTZN product code - I used the b-die finder myself

 

So the ram arrived yesterday, but I cant seem to run native 4400, maybe my 11700kf doesnt like such speed or need more voltage adjustments.. i did get it working at 4266 cl16-16-16 though..


Speaking of DualRank, does mobo auto enable interleve etc, for it, atm both values are set to auto.? Should I enable anyway?


But yeah 2x16 does stress more, for example 3600mhz my old 2x8 needed 1.25v SA and 1.22v IO2, now both SA and IO2 1.30v or it would error code 55.

 

everyone's talking 7800x3d and ddr5

meanwhile, 12400f + ddr4 on b660m mortar max enters the market

 

excellent point for the value consumer as it will last years.
for an enthusiast it's a dead end piece of tech.
the only non-EOL cpu on the market is Ryzen 7 5800X and its days are numbered.

from a pro_Intel perspective you have RL a few months away and with the reported gains of RL
i can't see justifying an AL system @ EOL, DDR4 or not.

from a pro- AMD perspective why bother at all with dropping DDR 5 prices.
and if you do want to bother then several brands have DDR4 4000/4133 averaging $50 per 16Gb stick you can really save money by passing on the RGB (up to $75 per set of two 16Gb sticks)
and get a B550 plus 5800X (non 3D)
you will have mid-range Raphael challenging the top tier of RL and the top tier leaving no room for doubt until ML.

 

ddr5 is still expensive as hell
and frankly nothing on new am5 will beat that 12400f+b660+ddr4 combo for value, not even close.

why bother with non-eol 5800x and b550 if this 12400f/b660 combo will cost around 340 altogether, beat it in gaming, and it even has pcie 5.0 support for gpus (and 13th gen support)

seems like you're trying to do damage control again. who cares about eol or non-eol status
same silly point as spending nearly 100eur extra on 6750xt over 6700xt

is mid-range raphael going to cost 170eur like 12400f ? cause we've seen mid-range from amd launch at 350-400eur last time

 

THIS ONE posted by cucalay here above which I quoted here as it does BCLOCK OC! Get the fastest DDR4 you can support and it will kill all game systems in terms of price vs performance. You can add a high end 6800/6900XT or 3080Ti and get way more performance for the price:



Arguably (very tightly) better deal than buying a PS5 or XBOXX but no controller.

 

remember locked skus on adl-s have locked vccsa so don't go crazy

 

I meant MB+CPU+RAM combo. Get a 12100F with 16GB of RAM and your budget for GPU will increase. Better buy overall even with a 3070.

 

Remember to check the games you play to also gauge how many cores you really need. I just play old games now that are highly CPU IPC and memory sensitive since I do not have a good GPU or 4K monitor (yet).

I think FRAMETIME is probably a better measurement of overall experience on how smooth the game will be with a 4,6 or 8 CPU and yes, you can definitely upgrade when prices drop way way below. Get a 12100 4 core cpu now, OC the heck out of it, get a big GPU with 4K monitor and run it at nearly 60 FPS. Best deal now unless your game NEEDS 6 or 8 cores to run smoothly.

AMD needs to have something to counter this or will lose the mass market.

Good times ahead!

 

the problem with oc on locked k-skus is boards
only thing that makes sense to pair with it is the b660 max ddr4 that's not even in production yet

 

x470+5700x is the best option

 

No pcie4 in that combo. He needs x570 board.

 

the good thing is you think methodically about this.

5800x is totally worth it over 5700x if your main use is video editing.
normally for your application (and 1440p) i would recommend rx6800 (no XT) but it can be hard to find in some places and due to whacked out world we live in some rx6800xt are going for the same price (and offer a 4k upgrade path). but the rtx4070 may be easier to find.

SSD speed is relevant for you as video editing means huge file sizes, but this is also a place to maybe save money. IF you DID NOT do video editing i would suggest a 2.5" SSD.
here is where the M.2 drives shine - ANY M.2 (except SATA) even pcie 3.0 is good enough. pcie 3.0 vs pcie 4.0 saves roughly $100 per drive.

a note on CLOUD STORAGE - it is a two-edged sword. i really do not recommend it as your first option as video files would take forever u/l and d/l AND in case of power outages you are screwed. and that's any outage on your end or on their end. so if you U/L to YouTube that takes time and if you store it there you're giving away the control of your content. any (finished) video is automatically saved by their servers but i always keep archives.
i recommend you use your Seagate external drive and be ready to buy another one (newer tech means faster transfer speeds look for USB 3.2) but this is a very inexpensive place as a good 5Tb USB 3.2 goes for between $125-150. keep the Cloud as a back-up (unless it's costing you money, then screw it).

your biggest issue will be file transfers and the time involved to do so unless you're re-formatting the video (yikes) then that will take the most time.

 

5800x3d is slower than 5800x except gaming, yet it costs nearly the same as 5950x
it's only an option for someone who doesn't care about money, as 12700kf is same in gaming, faster in productivity and costs less.
yes if you don't mind that 15eur get a 5800x, but if you have enough for a 5900x that's a better option.
x470+5800x/5900x
if you're switching platforms get a 12700 and pair it with ddr4
but it makes no sense if you have an am4 board. get a 5800x/5900x and call it a day, you don't need a 5800x3d

 

Even if you make good money, bang for buck right "now" is with Intel except for heat.

It is so close to AMD to release Ryzen 7 that I would say wait and see if you can...

 

dont worry about tbw especially on samsung's v-nand
that 500tbw figure is the same as on my 850pro 3d mlc actually
you're not gonna use 500tb in 5 years, that's like writing 25x 20tb hdds of data on it.
second, it's going to take much more than 500tb, multiple times over.

 

5600
but it only makes sense for a purely gaming rig to make a sacrifice like that

cuda works fantastically in da vinci

and ampere is miles ahead of rdna2 in compute-oriented performance anyway

 

it should be absolutely fine with a 5900x

lucky you in EU zone 5800x3d is only 40eur cheaper than 5950x and much more expensive than 5900x, by around 90eur.