Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Jun 19, 2018.
Hm - about 6-800 points less than what Linus is getting in his 56 core test video
Honestly Intel is out of options to combat this thing. What the hell are they going to do? They can release their ridiculous 6 channel ram platform and the 28 core scam CPU they lied about, but at what cost? $3,000? lol. AMD is just running away with it with these high core counts. Intel can't make a cost effective chip unless they copy AMD's multi die approach. Monolithic dies will cause Intel's margins to reduce a lot if they want to compete. I can't wait to see Intel's answer to this 32 core monster.
This may be a fake.... Look at the 'Tools' button in CPU-Z (although some people saying this is font issue in chinese version of windows), as well as the addition of 'Threadripper' to the AMD logo, which apparently doesn't normally appear on TR procs.
It just depends on how quickly they can come up with their own MCM. They could easily put 10 times more money into the R&D than AMD, so in that sense it wouldn't take them as much time, compared to the years AMD spent. On the other hand, Intel is still selling like crazy and making profits AMD could only dream of, so they aren't exactly stressed. They have their old channels and methods of affecting the market, as well, so they can also restrict AMD's success if they see it necessary. This is Intel we are talking about. Short of using real assassins, anything is okay in Intel's book.
Things cannot advance faster with more money. At least not that much faster. You need time to architect, design, verify, fabricate, test a chip. These times can be shortened, but they are sequential steps, you cannot do it in parallel.
My guess is that Intel already has other technologies, like EMIB, maybe some IPs that could mimic the infinity fabric. They knew for a long time what AMD is using for Zen (MCM). They probably have other uArch in the pipeline. We'll see what they do, but indeed, for now it seems that they don't have anything to come up with and counter AMD and make a profit out of it. Fabricating a full 28 core die will give you worse yields than fabricating 8 core dies and glue them together. So, yeah, AMD is back in business and we are happy.
Look what changed after AMD became competitive again. We went from 4 cores to (soon to be launched) 8 cores in mainstream platform. We went from 10 cores to 28 (intel)/32(amd) cores in hedt. And just look at the prices. One year ago you had to cut an arm and a leg to buy best Intel HEDT cpu. Now, with 750 bucks you get 16 cores/32 threads. I think AMD deserves a lot of credit for moving things in this industry, lowering prices, bringing innovation, etc.
Investing in quad socket system with 4 of those, running with 2TB of DDR4-3600 in quadchannel, O/S on 4 NVMe SSDs RAIDed to 0, driving a set of 4 liquid cooled RX64 Frontier Edition.
It will run Solitaire like a charm on ULTRA settings but needs 6 fusion reactors if under load and you need a 75 inch monitor set to 4k HD to see all the cores in taskmgr.
Btw.: Did anyone notice those 250W TDP? I mean, really? Just WOW!
What is the best Custom cooling for this thing ? I want the best reservoirpump-combo and the best Heat Spreader for the TR4 1950x.
Best TR4 waterblock on market is Heatkiller IV Pro, XSPC Raystorm Neo TR4 but Bykski TR4 block is close to XSPC or Heatkiller and difference between them is 1-2°C as max, just stay away from EK TR4 block these are just rubbish waterblocks maybe newer revisions of EK TR4 are bit better but still if you are looking get EK then wait on reviews
For good loop with reasonable good low water delta, you are looking at 2*360mm radiators at least, but in many cases I still would go route of external radiators like are MO-ra3 360mm or MO-RA3 420mm and one extra 360mm radiator, this should be enough for you keep low water delta T and therefore you can run low speed fans
Pump and reservoir combo, XSPC D5 combo looks good or check Aliexpress for combos, have used their reservoirs and pumps and no issues
Hope this helps
I'm still very skeptical about how good this CPU will be, due to the rumored design of the memory channels. I'm sure it'll blast through highly-parallel tasks, but I think this is going to suffer major performance losses in multitasking (vs the 32-core Epycs).
I'd be very curious to see how this compares to Epyc 7601.
I predict it will priced higher than that. The MSRP of the 1950X was $1000. The 1950X in of itself was a massive feat for a non-server product, and yet the 2990X will have double the threads. Meanwhile, the 7601 has an MSRP of $4700. Obviously, the 7601 is going to be a lot more expensive due to having 8 memory channels, 128 PCIe lanes, and simply being a server-grade product. So you can look at the 2990X like this:
It's a little less than twice as good as the 1950X and it's a little less than half as good as the 7601. Meanwhile, Intel's 28-core will be the closest competing product (and I'm guessing that will cost around $4000-5000) which means AMD can get away with asking for more. So, I predict this CPU will cost somewhere between $2000-2500.
Also, the 2990X comes with an AIO cooler. That's going to bring the price up a bit.
Honestly, we're reaching a point where it'd be interesting to see if we can run Crysis on entirely CPU rasterization. I suspect with 720p and lowest detail settings, Crysis could be playable on one of the quad-socket Epyc servers.
much better TR4 aio's in the pipeline!
AND custom cold plates for more elaborate cooling.
While AMD having fun look at this:
OpenBSD Will Disable Intel Hyper-Threading To Avoid Spectre-Like Exploits
What is wrong with the TDP? There where computex rumors that say the TDP rating is a little higher then the actual TDP, still rumor though.
The intel core i9 7980xe was tested by Anandtech to have a power consumption of 190Watts at 3400Mhz on all cores, so a 3000MHz 32 core threadripper at 250W is ok.
The 32 core is roughly made up of 4x Ryzen 1700 with a TDP of 65W, so the 250W should be easy enough to manege when its at 12nm.
I'm expecting it to be under $2K (perhaps $1800). I thought the 1950X would be north of $1200 but it turned out to be cheaper, and there were sales on it not long after. I really doubt that AMD would try to price gouge their customers just because Intel won't be able to compete - that would halt their momentum and market share. X399 is also not EPYC so there's no threat of the 2990X cannibalizing EPYC sales.
AMD has many times in the past price gouged when they had the upper hand in something. I still expect they'll disproportionately increase the price more than they would if Intel had a more competitive product, but I don't think they'll go too nuts on it. This is after all technically a consumer-level product, and 32 cores isn't exactly in high demand.
I hadn't really thought the 2990X would cannibalize Epyc sales. There are enough distinct disadvantages where I don't think AMD is particularly concerned about that.
I have the Corsair Obsidian 700D , I won't have room for 2*360mm , only one .... also can I use the Enermax Liqtech TR4 360mm Radiator ? I had 3 Broken Pumps...
I will surly buy the Heatkiller or the XSPC Raystorm , both seems very good. the hard choice is the Pump Reservoir Combo , I don't want a lot of things .. I just want to have good performance max 64 c or something at Load at 4.0 or 4.1 1.4V.
Can't the Reservoir combo be enough ? I'll need extra Reservoir ?
What do you think? Could it be that Intel's monopoly on the CPU market for last !10 years works against them now? , I think that because of that -they did not change the design and stayed on single Silicon for the processor that gave them low yields on high core count silicon's but if was OK for them because there was no competition and they could ask very high price to compensate the low yields but now with AMD's design with 4*8 core Dies that have higher yields and cost per CPU is much lower, Intel will be forced to lower the prices for high core count CPU's and loose money on them (16+ cores) until they will come with their "glued together" CPU(Server/HEDT)?
The Xeon® Platinum 8180 Processor is 28 core that cost $10,000 !
There is no way that Intel has high yield rate on their 28 core CPU that will be forced to compete against TR2 32 core, for AMD it's just 4 binned 8 core silicons with very high yields and for Intel is super expensive low yield Huge silicon that needs to be binned to work at high clock frequency/thermals.
What I seen reviews of the Enermax Liqtech TR4 they're perfomed pretty good nust some people struggled with achieving 4.0GHz, most of people run 3.9GHz or close to 4.0GHz, but there are few who run 4.1GHz on their AIO
Single 360mm wouldn't be enough, if yes then you will need to run fans very fast etc due this I recommend get MO-ra3 360mm or MO-RA3 420mm which shouldn't have problem to dissipate..
Habe look on MO-ra3 radiators and personally I would get this radiator, have one and love this radiator, then you can add GPU to loop and you will have awesome loop
Regarding the reservoir and pump, XSPC Photon 170 with D5 would more than enough there, check Barrow or Bykski D5 or DDC punps with reservoirs, these should be more than enough for such loop
Yes you will need reservoir and pump, without this there is now way to push water through the loop
For fittings Barrow fittings and for tubing Mayhems UV White or Clear tubing is cheapest
Hope this helps
Epyc 7601 was their highest end processor which also required you to buy 2 for 64 cores and 128 threads
Also, the MSRP of the 7601 is $4200
To compare it closer to what this threadripper will be, you'd compare it to the Epyc 7551P, which is a 1P (1 CPU) system, which MSRP is $2100, and is a 32 core, 64 thread, 2.0GHz, 3.0 max processor.
It also has 8-channel DDR4 support and in general will be more expensive then desktop parts as like you said it's for the CPU segment.
The reason i suspect it'll be around $1500, though could be as high as $1750 (i do not expect it'll be higher then that) is because of the price decrease Zen+ gave on higher core counts.
We went from the highest end 8-core processor being $500, to $330. Granted, we haven't seen an 2800x, if there will be one, but fact of the matter is, within 1 year, we went from the highest end 8-core processor being $500, to $330 on AMDs side, and the $330 even performs better then the $500, and quite frankly, the later higher end 1900X threadripper, which debut'd at $549 vs the 2700x are mostly evenly matched, with the 2700x out performing the 1900x in some scenarios.
So given the fact that it was pretty linear between the $500/$549 highest end 8-core processors to the highest end 16 core processor at $1000 (8x2=16, 500x2=$1000, etc.), if they continue that, then the 32 core processors should be around $330x4, $1320. Considering i suspect they'll potentially release something above the 2700x in the 8 core front for highest end 8 core processor, that's why i say $1500
But, time will tell.
Could AMD decide to release HighEnd x399 MB for 32core with 8 channel memory?
I see there is no problem making ATX MB with 8 channel memory:
I highly doubt it. I'm sure sTR4 is electrically incompatible with more memory channels (on the motherboard end), and even if it weren't, doing that would cannibalize their Epyc sales. Epyc does have the advantage of more PCIe lanes, but frankly, even Threadrippers have plenty to go around.