Battlefield 3 (Official Thread)

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  1. Pill Monster

    Pill Monster Banned

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    I quit in 2008, after my first game of PR....lol
     
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    Aix 2.0?Whats that,I play falcon 4 alot well Open falcon mod and DCS: A-10C Warthog,anything thats arcadey i dont bother with,unless its BF series.

    If AIX is to do with Bf2 im not going to bother,i have well and truly milked Bf2...2500hrs and 40000 kills as an aviator...enough is enough:)

    http://bf2s.com/player/44395510/
     
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    It's a BF2 mod, similar to Vanilla but a lot better A10's w/ cluster bombs hehe.. Allied Intent Extended.

    Falcon 4 - do u play on Bludklot's VG server by chance?
     
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    Yeah i played a while back,learned a few things from him,i think he plays falcon AF or Freefalcon whereas i play Open falcon with more advanced avionics and data cartridge as well as other things.Its very very very realistic and is still the most realistic modern day jet fighter around alongside a10 warthog but the dynamic campaign in falcon pisses over every other simulator and this is why i continue to play it....Microprose...say no more.:)



    Differences:

    Open Falcon (OF)
    Not user friendly for those new to the F4 sim (more steps to install, more steps to configure and use, and less instructions and documentation covering the basics)
    Requires the original Falcon 4.0 CD to be installed
    Hardest F4 version to install when compared to other F4 versions (because there's more requirements and steps to install OF, but it's still not hard to install)
    Most realistic F4 version for the F-16 (F4 is an F-16 sim after all), because it has the most realistic avionics suite for F-16 in comparison to other F4 versions
    Hardest on your PC (FPS) / Minimum PC requirements are high / Hardware compatibility issues
    Best implementation of the TWS radar submode of all F4 versions
    Comes with the Rapace Launcher, which makes it easy to check and configure multiplayer settings to fly online. Also very useful for configuring your install and checking other pilot's installs.
    Fully 'clickable' 3D cockpit and 6 degrees of freedom (6DOF) capable for the F-16 and Mirage 2000
    You actually use the radios in the jet to communicate (IVC) w/ other human pilots, and you can manually tune the radios to different UHF/VHF frequencies
    Only F4 version where you can set up your own Data Cartridge, customize it, and use realistic features of Data Link (Improved Data Modem) like real life Viper pilots
    Only version where you can create preplanned threat steerpoints and additional steerpoint lines. You also can create precision steerpoints via the UI and recon screen
    You can send target (A-A and A-G) and navigation data to pilots in your package, (not available in AF or FF5)
    Comes with the Sniper Advanced targeting pod
    Weather is NOT dynamic, you can only choose between Sunny, Fair, Poor, and Inclement weather (weather gfx is better then AF but not better then FF5)
    Lots of training material is available for OF
    Comes w/ cockpits for other aircraft, such as A-10, Mirage (2D and 6DOF 3D), F/A-18, and F-15. Lots of add-on cockpits available for OF
    Realistic flight models, aircraft models/skins, and modern weapons
    Least options and controls for Campaigns and Mission Builder in comparison to AF and FF/RV
    Great graphics (for F4). Much better then AF, comparable with FF5/RV
    Doesn't run well (sometimes not at all) on Vista
    Best modeling of F-16 ILS system
    Has great terrain lighting at night (lights in the ground)
    Very stable multiplayer if configured correctly
    Lots of Virtual Fighter Wings support and fly Open Falcon because of its online stability / very active multiplayer community
    Current development is cosmetic improvements only by the community here. Original OF dev team is no longer and we can't edit the exe to make significant changes, but development continues. OF is supported here at Global Falcon http://www.f4support.com/forums/index.php

    Allied Force (AF)
    Most user friendly and best User Interface
    Easiest to install and can be bought at retail stores or via download online
    Does not require the original Falcon 4.0 CD to be installed
    Easiest to learn / Less steep learning curve / Lots of documentation for new F4 pilots
    Doesn't have IVC, Data Cartridge (DTC), Data Link, and lots of cockpit buttons/switches are not implemented
    Dynamic Weather (something OF/FF/RV don't have), but poor weather gfx (clouds are ugly)
    You can't create preplanned threat steerpoints, additional steerpoint lines, or precision steerpoints via the UI
    Limited options to configure/customize your install / very limited community mods for AF
    Decent ground war. Better then OF, but not as good as FF5. However, the AF ground units can easily be controlled and don't have issues moving across the map, and destroyed bridges can prevent them from traveling over water (other F4 versions will just drive over the water if the bridge is down)
    Simplified/Not realistic ILS system
    Easiest on your PC (best FPS, and low minimum requirements)
    No cockpits for other aircraft come w/ AF, no add-on cockpits for other (non-F16) aircraft are available, and no 6DOF or 'clickable' 3D cockpits (worst 2D and 3D cockpits of all F4 versions)
    Runs great on Vista
    Best Campaign and Mission Builder compared to OF/FF/RV because you have lots of control over the campaign or mission development
    Worst Graphics of all F4 versions
    Rock solid multiplayer. Easy to connect w/ other pilots. But close formation flying can cause warping (not an issue w/ OF)
    Poor special effects, smoke, fire, and explosions
    Limited weapons, doesn't have modern weapons available (no JDAMs, JSOWs, etc...), and some weapons systems are simplified (HARM, Mavericks, LGBs, and threat circles)
    Lots of Virtual Fighter Wings (VFWs) support and fly AF / active multiplayer community
    Very poor terrain lighting
    Development has been finished for a long time. 13 patches were released for AF, with 1.13 being the most current (available at the Lead Pursuit website). Nothing new will come out for AF. And Lead Pursuit doesn't offer any support outside the patches that were released. Only support available is over at frugals forum - [ame="http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/forumdisplay.php?f=73"]Falcon Allied Force - Frugal's World of Simulations[/ame]

    Free Falcon 5 (FF5)
    Newest release from the F4 community (much hyped). But like all new F4 releases, it has some bugs in its current state. Dev team is working to resolve the issues.
    Not user friendly (for noobs), and difficult to navigate UI
    Easier to install then OF, but still harder to install and set up then AF (just barely).
    Doesn't require the original Falcon 4.0 CD
    Comes with far more 2D/3D cockpits for other (non-F16) aircraft then any other F4 version, such as the F-4, Tornado, F-15, F/A-18, F-117, EA-6B Prowler, MIG-25 and A-6 Intruder
    Most realistic red air aircraft, and most cockpits for red air aircraft (Eastern Europe A/Cs)
    Doesn't have dynamic weather, but the weather gfx are outstanding
    Comes w/ hires/realistic (terrain) tiles in Korea and for airbases
    A little bit harder on your PC then AF but better then OF (also more compatible then OF / lower minimum requirements / runs ok w/ Vista)
    Fully functional Carrier Ops, which is very cool (not avail in RV, OF, or AF)
    Best ground war / Also claimed to have smarter, more aggressive ground units
    Has a cool feature where the aircraft shakes in hard turns (under high G) and speedbrakes are extended (not avail in OF or AF)
    Simplified ILS system
    Only F4 version that allows you change your target for JDAMs (GPS guide munitions) en route to target (not available in any other F4 version). You can enter the target GPS coordinates into the JDAM using the targeting pod like real life
    Better Campaign and Mission Builder then OF but not as good as AF, but currently has issues with 'un-win-able' campaigns or CTDs past the first 48hrs.
    Comes w/ 'clickable' 6DOF capable 3D cockpit for the F-16 (like OF)
    Great graphics, the best graphics of all F4 versions
    No Rapace Launcher 'like' tool which makes it easy to check compatibility for multiplayer flights and configuring installs
    Best sound engine and default sounds
    Locked database makes 3rd party modifications difficult, and thus limited user submitted mods are available
    Best modeling of the HARM HTS targeting system
    Limited training material available for FF5 compared to AF and OF
    Best special effects, smoke, explosions, flares, etc...
    Horizon line is much closer then OF
    Comes with terrain lighting (lights in the ground at night)
    Constant AI comms can get annoying (ie Guns, Guns, Guns or Mud 12 o'clock)
    Best lighting of all F4 versions (light years ahead of other F4 versions)
    Unstable multiplayer (for the vast majority of users). Same issues for MP as FF4/RV had. However, some have seen improvements since the Hotfix was released. If installs are configured identically MP is allegedly somewhat stable.
    Almost no Virtual Fighter Wings support or fly FF5 (because of instability issues). There's a couple of public Teamspeak servers where FF5 guys fly together, but the FF5 multiplayer community is pretty much inactive.
    Development team is still together and making improvements. A Hotfix was recently released for FF5 that fixed a lot of bugs/issues, and FF5.1 is currently being worked on w/ an estimated release in September/October. FF5 is heavily supported by the dev team and FF5 community at http://freefalcon.com/forum/index.php

    FF4/RV
    FF5 lite - FF4 (Free Falcon4) and RV (Red Viper) are the same thing because it was created by the Free Falcon and Red Viper development teams. It's very similar to FF5 since it's the predecessor to FF5.
    Has great lighting like FF5
    Unstable multiplayer code
    Not supported by RV dev team or FF dev team / Development has stopped

    Coming Soon/Hype
    SevenG ( http://www.seveng-f18.com/ ) : A realistic F/A-18 sim that has a lot of potential and a great dev team. Expected release date is Jan. 1st 2010. And SevenG will be free btw
    DCS A-10C ( http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/ ): Hyped to be best A-10C sim. A-10 is in Alpha stage. Also supposed to have F-16 and other Russian fixed wing aircraft add-ons on the way w/ ~9 month intervals between releases.
    DCS: Black Shark ( http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/ ) - A patch is due to be released for the DCS: Black Shark flight simulator. Black Shark is a very realistic Ka-50 helicopter simulator. Lots of fun if you're into Russian aircraft or helicopter sims. Only drawbacks are that it's mostly in Russian (some of it is converted to English) and the campaign isn't dynamic like F4 (scripted w/ triggers)
    Fighter Ops: If you've been gone for 5 years, you haven't missed anything. They're selling/renting servers now.
    VRS Super Bug ( http://www.vrsimulations.com/ ) - A Super Hornet add-on to FSX. Definitely will be the most realistic combat aircraft add-on for FSX, but still limited by the non-combat nature of FSX.
    Thunderworks ( http://www.thunder-works.com/about.htm ) - A combat flight simulator sim being developed. Currently working in the development of the Jet Thunder: Falklands/Mavinas project. Status of this sim is unknown. Not sure this sim will ever reach release.


    Rumors/Buzz
    Lead Pursuit is working on something but won't say what it is...
    OF 4.8 will be released in August, giving OF a facelift and new features


    Dead/RIP
    The original OF dev team (no longer working on OF)
    SAAFOPS
    The Free Falcon/Red Viper joint dev team (they split into 2 separate groups)
     

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    I just recently installed Free Falcon 5.0, and yeah...I had no idea there would be so much to learn..lol.
     
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    Free falcon is very very buggy with nvidia cards,so buggy that many people dont play it...also the developers cannot fix it for some reason...its on there forum...i had enough of it tbh,it crashes with new drivers and with old drivers you have to reboot the game after each mission as you get a hanging green screen,shame really as its quite good with atmospheric cockpit (pilot breathing):)
     
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    I wonder if BF3 will have doors tunnels,caves windows etc. surely pc can manage these things ?
     
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    lol after MAG on PS3 can support what? 256 players MP? and PC should support what u saying :)

    In addition i wont be prepurchasing this or even buying without trying a demo but probably wont be a demo yeah? damn. i hate where DICE is heading.
     
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    BF2 with same maps and destructable environments is enough for me to buy it,the maps on BF2 are LEGENDARY and so well designed i dont think they will ever be bettered,i also hope DICE dont **** classes up like they did with BC2.
     
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    meh im not as forgiving as you it seems Veteran, my expectations are much higher :)
    i certainly hope it wont be anything like bfbc2 tbh, would also like to see Titan mode into bf3 :)
     

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    If BF3 would be BF2 with destruction and better graphics, it would get SO GODDAMN BORING SO GODDAMN FAST. Don't even wish for it people, wish for more value for your money! :p
     
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    I am sure there are a lot of guys out there who like me did not play BF2( my internet was teribad at that time), so a BF3 that has many elements from BF2 as in bigger maps, more players etc. and with an updated frostbite engine does sound pretty great! :)
     
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    more players ? do you have a source for that ?
     
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    Well, I certainly want 64 players if the maps will be as big as in the last BBC2 map pack that included maps from BF2. Some are way too big for 16v16, imo. But no, no source, info on BF3 is rather vague except that it uses an improved frostbite engine that won't support dx under version 10.
     
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    today the standard for Mp gaming should be 64 vs 64 lol...but well, not everybody has fiber optics yes?
     

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    oh , well bf2 already had 64 players :) didnt know you compared it to bfbc2
     
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    I will be happy with 64, 128 would be insane, doable but I doubt the consoles could handle it. After all, it will be like every other new game - multiplatform.
     
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    its not a problem for the PS3. they already have a 256player FPS :)
     
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    Not yet, remains to see after the launch how it goes. :p

    Thing is, from the few vids I saw is that MAG does not have the visuals or physics/destrcution as in in BBC2. I doubt any console could manage 256 players frostbite engine game. But hey, maybe MAG will sell good and -be- good so that DICE will take it as an example and try to go for more than 64 players in BF3. :)
     
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    Most servers can't handle that many players apparently.

    Arma2 has 128 player support, but isn't used by any servers that I know of.
     
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