Battle Royale Inbetween Apple and EPIC - to terminate dev accounts that affects the Unreal Engine

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  1. tsunami231

    tsunami231 Ancient Guru

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    again epic start this by doing what they did, apple just want them to follow the terms everyone else does. i not say apple dont have there flaws, but terms are terms. what make epic thing they except from said terms?

    Year ago there where all over steam now they changed targets except EPIC started this
     
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    Imagine everyone starts doing what Epic did. Apple would be on the corner.
     
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    Image if everyone started ignoring "term" and did what they want Apple ist fault here Epic is. Terms of Agreement are there for reason. Epic is not Exempt from that.

    If Epic dont want agree to the terms then they dont get distribute on the platform. it not there platform to dictate terms.

    I not defend apple, nor do i care for epic I dont like either but apple has right to do what they it THERE platform you want distribute on it you follow there terms and Epic is the one that violated that and they know they did.

    I mean that is how terms of contract works. you violated it become null and void.
     
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    Terms of agreement does not supersede potential anti-trust laws. Whether it does or doesn't remains to be seen from the ensuing legal battle. See below from wikipedia:

    "The main statutes are the Sherman Act of 1890, the Clayton Act of 1914 and the Federal Trade Commission Act of 1914. These Acts serve three major functions. First, Section 1 of the Sherman Act prohibits price-fixing and the operation of cartels, and prohibits other collusive practices that unreasonably restrain trade. Second, Section 7 of the Clayton Act restricts the mergers and acquisitions of organizations that would likely substantially lessen competition. Third, Section 2 of the Sherman Act prohibits the abuse of monopoly power.

    Reading this, practices that unreasonably restrain trade and abuse of monopoly power might well apply.

    I eagerly await more drama
     
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    Contracts are also governed by law. You can't enforce unreasonable demands. Thats what the entire concept of anti-trust laws is about.
     
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    Both companies are now represented by heavy weights antitrust specialized lawyers.

    Apple :

    Gibson Dunn
    | Firm they've used to fight Samsung and Qualcomm previously, 1400+ lawyers in 20 offices worldwide, namely "Daniel G. Swanson and Richard J. Doren".
    Daniel G. Swanson is lead of Antitrust and Competition Practice Group of the firm.

    Epic Games :

    Cravath, Swaine & Moore |
    Same firm that was representing Qualcomm in Qualcomm v. Apple, 550+ lawyers, namely "Christine A. Varney,Katherine B. Forrest,Gary A. Bornstein,Yonatan Even,M. Brent Byars".
    Christine A. Varney : former U.S. Assistant Attorney General of the Antitrust Division for the Obama Administration, and Federal Trade Commissioner for the Clinton Administration, chair the antitrust department of the firm.


    Initial proceedings set to begin next Monday. Prepare the popcorn.
     
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    On other hand, contract => trade is between two parties. You can't force one to do trade with other.
    If I create cellphone and have its specific OS and store, nobody forces me to put their software onto it. Because I can as well be only person developing for it and it would be fully legal.

    Same thing is that no online/brick store is forced to take that cellphone from me and sell it. It is their shop and their choice.

    And after that, it is en user's choice to buy or not to buy and where to buy.

    There are always two parties that have to agree. Only exception is if agreement contains something that's against law. So, as long as apple has all rules according to law, Epic can go F* themselves or adhere to agreement which enables them to deal with apple.
     
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    What Epic did with Fortnite is not the focus. That just put the wheels in motion. What Apple did after removing Fortnite painted themselves in a corner. They have now exhibited abuse of power by trying to coerce Epic into following the terms by giving them two weeks to patch Fortnite or all Unreal Engine accounts get terminated from their developers program. This was never just about Apple removing Fortnite from the App Store. That stunt was dead on arrival. Epic just taunted Apple and Google. Apple took the bait. Their actions are what is being put to the test. Epic is just the party to pull the trigger to get the ball rolling sooner rather than later. Hate Epic as desired. They did this stunt for a reason. The result if they win is that Apple will be forced to allow third party access from places outside of the official Apple App Store. No one will be forced to use those other offerings. Consumers will end up with a choice.

    If Apple just removed Fortnite and left well enough alone, none of this would have made it to court. Apple extended their reach because they could not help themselves. Did Google attempt to ban Unreal Engine in its entirety, nope. They are not that arrogant or stupid. The case against Google is dead on arrival. All of this could have just ended up as a giant untraditional advertising campaign to continually draw attention to Fortnite and leaving egg on Epic's face.
     
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    There is nothing wrong with Apple asking any fees for using their platform or using their store app or even taking share of the sales done through it. However, that's not what Apple has done. They have used their position to ban sales on a separate store.
     
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    Have to love the artistry how this battle of impairment is unfolding.

    www techspot com/news/86458-epic-games-hosting-fortnite-tournament-apple-free-prizes html

    If the courtroom drama does not play out, there is always the player base. Do not see this ending well for either corp.
     

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    It is interesting to listen to Linus Tech Tips struggle to make an app for the apple app store. The hurdles they have to go through is interesting that don't get mentioned. Like there can be no reference from within the app to anything outside of the app to their website. Any monetization's that are done on outside of the app on their normal website apple forces the same monetization within the app to be the same price even though apple is taking 30%.
     
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    Microsoft brings its support to Epic Games to prevent Apple from cutting SDK availability for Unreal Engine development.

    Forza is made with Unreal.

    They've a history against Apple since the fruit denied Microsoft Gamepass app for iOS as it wanted its 30% share on all sold games and recurring plans from the app.
     
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