Availability of the Radeon RX 6800 (XT) & 6900 XT Is Still Extremely Poor

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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  2. cucaulay malkin

    cucaulay malkin Maha Guru

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    it is
    been searching for a 6800xt for a month
    not available even from scalpers
    meanwhile you can get any rtx 3000 card from a legit retailer,the price is inflated tho.

    I'm disappointed with rx6000,not only the availability but msrp of partner cards is absoulotely outrageous.those 800 dollar prices I saw on partner cards launch weren't gouging,they were msrp.that's a 25% markup on a 650 card. 3080 partner cards are actually cheaper,$730 for the tuf and $760 for the trio (msrp).

    must be production costs,remember amd wanted to halt the production of reference cards ? seeing how overbuilt the power circuitry is for 6800xt to reach those 2.4GHz clocks I'm starting to think that msrp for sapphire/powercolor/xfx/asrock cards will never drop down anywhere near 650usd.

    I want that 6800xt reference but I think the chances of getting the reference for msrp are extremely slim and I'm not paying 800 for a parter 6800xt,that is just ridiculous.
     
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  3. JonasBeckman

    JonasBeckman Ancient Guru

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    Yeah a few reference 6800's showed up in stores this week at least and the 5800's are trickling in on the CPU side but the 6800 XT's are missing and the 6900's I don't know if there's been any availability at all for yet here.
    (Pre-orders are slowly opening up though so I expect the initial batch to be coming in sometime January if that's moving now.)

    3070's are showing up pretty often for NVIDIA GPU's but at a higher price and they sell out instantly, 3080's are in a similar position as the 6800 XT's a few appear now and again but the pre-orders and demand is extreme.
    3090's are stocked in some quantity if for nothing else than the increased price though they do still sell so some market must exist for these likely more along productivity and work related I would imagine.

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    Pretty amazing that the Polaris, Vega, Turing and Pascal cards are also mostly out and the stock in stores now consists of a couple of 1660's and 1650's with some of the upper-tier priced 2080S variants together with what remains of the 3090's due to their cost being on a different level than other GPU's.

    Intel CPU's are stocked at least as is most other components together with some stock for the Zen2 CPU's from AMD but the GPU situation is impressively terrible at the moment. :p


    EDIT: Shakes things up a bit as well due to the price increase as demand and supply hits and various stores take advantage of that.
    CPU wise I suppose this will start happening once there's a larger confirmed incoming shipment of 5800's and 5900's both being very popular from AMD side.


    Founder variants of the NVIDIA GPU's I don't think I've seen stocked since the initial batch which makes the AMD GPU reference models cheaper though on the third party side the 3060's to 3080's against the 6800's to 6900's can be just about everywhere.

    6800 XT's are around the price of the 3080's so ~1000 Euro but the 3090's on it's own at 2000 to 2500 Euro whereas the 6900 XT's are around 1500 Euro.

    3060's close to 500 EUR and then it gets interesting with the 3070's and 6800's covering 600 to 800 so some of NVIDIA's are cheaper and some of AMD's are cheaper reference in particular although it's a separate pricing level for AMD versus their customs and NVIDIA if the 3070 FE's were stocked would likely be the less costly choice then.

    Plus a few 6800's above 900 you really shouldn't be looking at that GPU above 800 or even then as the 3070's better in these cases or the 6800XT's once availability is a thing again.
    (50$ maybe 100$ at most for moving up to the 6800 XT's and if reference cards of these are stocked again those are actually going to be cheaper.)


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    Fascinating to follow up how it's developing and how this is going but hopefully it settles soon once the new years starts and then properly if this little pandemic situation can be dealt with finally.

    Prices normalizing at a lower level would be nice there's still the VAT of course at least here but the markup would still be some reduction and less overlap between clearly superior GPU models and the lower tier versions at the worst of it.
    Curiously more so for AMD and the 6800 and 6800XT whereas the 3070 and 3080 keep a bit of a gap but AMD has reference models also mixed with the third party designs and these have a lower MSRP.
     
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  4. rl66

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    NVidia too... The bigest wholesale for OEM and IT have only NVidia GT 710 and GT 1030 in aviability...
    Everything can be in stock end of january if lucky.
     
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    kapu Ancient Guru

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    Here in Poland there is plenty of RTX 3080/3070/3060Ti but overpriced . Radeons ? They dont exists . Only from scalpers at 900 euro for 6800 model :D
     
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    Mighty big face palm there AMD. Merry Xmas to the miners. The only customers AMD cares to service.
     
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    Only new cards are available from 3090 series. Understandably, it is due to price tag.
     
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    As is availability for Ampere. I was trying to get either a 6800 XT or a 3080, I managed to get a 6800. I've still been trying for a 3080 or 6800 XT with the idea I'd sell the 6800 to one of my friends, but no luck.
     
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    They're so rare that even the guys from the shop i bought mine where surprised that i found one listed on their site.

    On the other hand rtx cards are almost as rare here and when i do find one here, its a gigabyte,and not even the good kind(xtreme,master),only visions,gaming oc or...eagle,yuck.
     
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    Both companies failed customers hard, by the time stock is at an appropriate amount there won't be any point in buying Nvidia because there will be a refresh a couple of months later.
     
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    AMD has a huge juggling game using TSMC as their only high end chip fab. Production of CPUs, GPUs, APUs and console APUs all from one source. Nvidia did slightly better choosing Samsung this time round but even they have to contend with having enough manufacturing capacity for their really high end stuff, commercial grade things.
     
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    True. There are so many customers to TSMC foundries that getting some wafer capacity is getting harder and harder... And withou any other viable option, things are going to become worse in the future...

    And in the end the winner of this crazy situation is Intel because they have huge capacity to produce their won stuff...
     
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    Samsung is a viable option and, if there is enough demand for it, Globalfoundries can step in as well. By then the cost of the EUV machines will be subsidized by the other companies - which is their barrier to entry at the moment.

    It's not a great situation but it's not like TSMC is the only company.
     
  14. tunejunky

    tunejunky Maha Guru

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    people - breathe

    this is not anything new. as a matter of fact releases with plenty of stock are the outlier not the average.
    let alone the supply chain disruptions caused by anno 2020.
    the only folks well and truly screwed are the British with this latest round of disruption.
    DDR6 is highly expensive and in short supply, Ethereum's latest version is basically demanding next gen gpu's rewarding them with astronomical hashes, and unspoken is the fact that most AIBs reduced their sales forecasts and revised their quarterly output even down to motherboards.
    the hardware industry has been buffeted before and they're going to their bag of tricks.

    Even IF AMD and Nvidia had a surplus of gpu's, the AIB's wouldn't build all of them until the market indicators improve. we were "lucky" during the Great Recession as Intel's Q6600 (Core2Quad) had already gone into production and the gpu market wasn't advancing at the same rate as it is now.
     
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    tunejunky Maha Guru

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    i disagree.
    Nvidia chose poorly by going with an orphan production node. they COULD'VE had Samsung's 5nm, which is close enough to TSMC for Apple.
    there are zero production issues with TSMC's 7nm process. this Fab has been in use for over two years pumping out huge volumes. and AMD has a Sweetheart deal giving them priority.
    the QUESTION is the size of the orders, and whether an AMD exec screwed the pooch by under-forecasting demand or what logistics genius can speed up things in the age of Covid.
     

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    Is any other vendor other than EVGA allowing you to sign up to be notified of the card you want? They give you 8-hours to buy the card after they email you its available otherwise it goes back into a queue. I signed up for the FTW 3070 recently because I'm looking for a quiet 1440p card and its one of the quietest. I'm also interested in the beefier AMD 6800's like say PowerColors Red Devil but I found no digital way to get in line for one like EVGA offers.
     
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    No idea what's going on with AMD and Nvidia, I assume this global COVID situation is affecting them as much as anyone. GPUs are in high demand, which naturally drives prices up, and scalpers are contributing big time. First of all, stop buying at these overinflated prices.
    After a couple of months things should start to normalize. If people keep buying then it's natural that the prices will stay as they are, as the conclusion would be "we can sell at these prices, no need to go back to normal pricing".

    I saw a text earlier "3060 ti: the king of $399 GPUs" and I was honestly shocked that people are publishing this kind of garbage, actively trying to normalize that $400 is OK for this performance level.
    Not to mention there's no way to find these cards even at these prices.
     
  18. tunejunky

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    i'm with you. when i buy team green, EVGA is my fave AIB, but this time i'm passing on the 70 series (it's usually my go to each gen).
    i'm going to wait for a 6800xt and hopefully from Sapphire for the same reasons as EVGA.
    i've been loving on my EVGA psu's i buy a new one every two or three years on upgrades with the old one upgrading an older system.
     
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    Remember when AMD said it wouldnt have stock issues?
     
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    I think that its important to remember that when mining was hot back in 2014, amd over-produced, and was left holding the bag,
    Right now I think its fair to say something similar is happening albiet not nearly as publicised, amd wont ramp up production much more as it will likely burn them again if they do, (like they did with the vega shortage).
     

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