ASUS Announces ROG Matrix GeForce RTX 2080 Ti integrates a pump and radiator

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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  2. Maddness

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    That's a really cool idea. I'd love to see the cooling performance. If this works well, it may end up being the way forward for high end cards in the future.
     
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    on other site price is mentioned ... It is expected that the card will cost 1,600 USD .. good god :-D
     
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    Ouch, that's bloody expensive.
     

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    1600 doesn't shock me really.

    Here in EU all 2080 TI with nearly same "out of box" performance cost 1475€ Which equals in roughly 1500$

    And i don't wanna know how much research was involved to get this thing working.
    Will await review with pleasure.
     
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    Well, anyone with the corresponding money amount, should always aim for the top pick among its class. If I could afford an RTX 2080ti, this would be my choice.
     
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    Looks like a pretty pointless card IMO. I would rather the simplicity of the current strix models. Don't feel like much cooling difference is actually here.
     
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    Watercooling does not make sense like this, watercooling is not as effective as heatpipe cooling when size and cost is Compared.
    Watercoolings only strong side is that heat can be transferred to a larger cooler, that otherwise would not fit in the place available or to move heat away from sensitive things.
    This will sell for sure, but i am willing to bet that a heatpipe cooler the same size will be better.
     
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    this cooling system remembers me this:

    [​IMG]

    The cooling performance wasn't that good...
     
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    I didnt see matrix branding since 780ti.
     

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    This is my thinking as well.

    Since the weakest point of any watercooling solution is the water, in that it acts as an additional thermal interface between the heat source and cooling solution, this feels more like marketing than innovation. As you say the gain is from being able to run a larger fin stack/radiator/fan setup in a more advantageous position.

    With the fans still on the card, blowing in the same direction as any air cooler would I can't imagine why this would be better than a conventional heat pipe array + fin stack.
     
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    The other strong point of traditional liquid cooling is to be able to transfer the heat straight out of the PC case, with the radiator attached to an exhaust grating. This video card obviously will not do that. So, yeah, I'd be surprised if that thing was significantly better than a proper custom air cooler.
     
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    Exactly, seems like it's made for suckers. I won't say heatpipe would be better, I think they would both be the same, or the water be 1° cooler. But nothing significant either way. As you said, water is good because you can move the heat to a larger radiator, the radiator on the card will be basically the same as a heatpipe radiator, so no help. Just have to wait for a review to see what the reality is, even though there is no way in hell I would ever buy one of these
     
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    It may be inefficient to pack everything in tightly like this, but, the purpose of using watercooling is 1: pull heat away from the heat source quicker than heatpipes/other sources due to faster moving working fluid and 2: better heat capacity through the properties of the working fluid used and quantity of working fluid. A system like this will have much more heat capacity in it's working fluid than a standard heatsink. But because of how small the system it is and how enclosed it is, it remains to be seen how effective it will be. I believe it will be more effective that standard heatsink/fan setups, but fall short of "hybrid"/AIO setups, and far behind proper full liquid loops that have huge amounts of heat capacity and working fluid speed when properly set up.
     
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    I'd definitely like to see a review of this card to see if it can back up it's claims, and also because it's a new cooling concept. My first impressions were that it wouldn't be able to compete with existing closed loop liquid cooled GPUs, but they say it betters 120mm radiator CLC's and it equals 240mm radiator CLC's, I'd like to see that put to the test. Given the fact that this new cooling concept fits it all neatly into one card, then this is an interesting proposition, although one draw back in contrast to existing CLC cooled GPU's - with those existing CLC GPU's you can choose to place the radiator directly as an exhaust, thereby exhausting all hot air outside of the case rather than into the case, so this new card lacks that ability. I'd also be curious as to the longevity of this cooling loop & if it would last the life of the card.
     

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    They are closing to 2k price and jumped over old titan.
    Will be funny how nvidia will cry about low seling later.
     
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    my first take is that they're not using water. but it would take some pretty slick chemistry to improve on the heat loading/retention power of water... and in a three slot space there's an extremely limited amount of fluid to carry the heat without saturation.
    i can understand the "competing with a 240mm" bit since you have three (at least) 90mm fans.
    at this price range we can assume the radiator and all contact surfaces are copper...they would have to be...

    i'd love this to be a viable technology just for compact builds...
    but then i'm thinking...pump and fan noise plus the mechanical stress (of the vibration) on the motherboard. not loving that thought.
     
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    Is there power logic fan still noisy?
     
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    I have a feeling short term thermals will look much better than traditional heat pipe based coolers, but long term once its thermally saturated it will be the same or worse than a heat pipe cooler, it will also take longer to cool down to ambient temperatures after long gaming sessions, basically its a delayed thermal reaction system.

    Not necessarily a bad thing tbh, if you do a lot of short loading on the GPU this will come out better for you, and as long as its the same or only a little worse once its saturated it will be fine for long term gaming too, and as one of the things that causes graphics cards to wear out quicker is abrupt thermal change on the components it might actually help with that too, on the other hand its got a pump, pumps can die, and once it does its RMA time as you wont be able to just replace it like you can when fans die on normal cooling solutions.
     
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