Are you still on Windows 7? Upgrade to Windows 10 today as it is still free

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  1. sverek

    sverek Ancient Guru

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    Yeah, I jumped on Win10 bandwagon. It got much better than previous days and finally I justify the switch from Win7. Software got more stable, probably cause of better SSD utilization and optimized Win10 programming.

    I also don't have to install drivers for my DAC, since Win10 already got them. Overall, Win10 seems like a fire and forget type of OS. Good for people who don't install their own drivers and just use it.
    I had to uncheck LOTS of checkboxes when installing Win10 though! All mentioning how I could benefit by sending data to M$. No, frack you M$.
     
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    I had to buy a new key because my Windows has been in activation all year and was somewhat annoying changed my motherboard 3 times last year had the X370 Crosshair6, X570 Strix but that had a faulty 2nd DIMM slot so got an RMA. Problem with OEM keys once you replace the motherboard you need a new key, but saw on Amazon a windows 10 Pro key for £6 so thought to give it a try and it works. Can't grumble at £6 thats like the price of a McRubber Bigmac meal.
     
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  3. Khronikos

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    Oh god third party and trim lol. You have got to be kidding dude. My WD software can be set up to do it automatically, or I can do it in 5 seconds by opening the software. Dear god. There are also confirmed ways to get Ryzen running on Win 7. Not sure about upcoming or current stuff, but definitely the last couple are able to in some way.

    And as if anybody would really know if they had backdoors hidden in their modern OS's even Win 7. And most definitely Win 10, an OS that was literally built to steal your data. They could easily hide them in Win 10. Not like they have to in most cases as they have so many chokepoints to get your data most people just give up.

    Again, DX12 is nearly procreating useless. Vulkan is taking over. Easy peasy on Win 7. 35% of people on Steam still use Win 7. You Win 7 haters can suck it ha.
     
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  4. Khronikos

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    So is your 3600 setup doing fine in all respects outside that USB issue? I was thinking something like that may be an option for me in the future.
     

  5. Size_Mick

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    Is this your personal device, or a work device? If it's the former then you can just tweak it until it's like Windows 7. The UI can be the same as it's been since Windows 95 if you use 3rd party apps and do some tweaking. I've used the same layout since Win95 and it just works for me, so I went to the trouble with 10 to make it match. Also I turned off everything new (Microsoft Store, Cortana, etc.) because who the hell wants any of that. Add a few more tweaks and you can have the old Control Panel and everything! Win10 has been the most stable OS from Microsoft that I've ever used, so although I hate a lot of the new stuff, as long as I can remove or disable it, I'm happy. WinAero Tweaker really saves a lot of time making Windows 10 behave, I will add yet again. Yeah, it's Russian software, but no, I don't think there's anything nefarious about it, and it's donationware so you can be a cheap bastard and get it for free.
     
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  6. countmurcie

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    To Khronikos

    Everything is working fine now.
    -Gaming with AMD RX 5700 = perfect.
    -Browsing = perfect.
    -Video playback = perfect.
    -HDMI capture card = perfect.
    -Realtek AC WiFi, Realtek Audio, NVMe, SATA, Blu-Ray = perfect.
    -Not a single hiccup, same as my trusted Ryzen 1600, except as previously stated, loss of 4 USB 3.0 ports*.
    * There are modded drivers and .inf tweaks to "resolve" these issues but they were less then stable, so no go. Easiest is using the 4 USB 2.0 provided by the motherboard for keyboard/mouse and DOS.

    And yes, i have Windows 10 installed on my third (turd) partition! Only for DX12 games.
    First primary partition: DOS for Symantec's GHOST
    Second primary partition: Windows 7
    Third primary partition: Windows 10
    Fourth primary partition: Whatever Linux distro i feel at the moment.
     
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  7. KissSh0t

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    Little bit of both, work and play, I tweak it heavily too.. still don't like it, I've used it since it's initial release with a laptop, the main reason I'm putting up with it now on the main pc is the new xbox one wireless adapter doesn't function on anything other than 10, I guess it's just one way to force adoption *shrugs*

    I set my Start menu up to look like this using Classic Shell, a little bit of solace for me xD....

    [​IMG]
     
  8. fantaskarsef

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    Sorry for OT but +1 rep for still using winamp.
     
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    I cannot complain. I've been pestering Canon to update their drivers to support the MP990 series . Anyhow... yesterday I notice this constant 500kbs multicast stream in Winodws Task manager when the printer is on. Turns out the printer's bonjour service spams my router unless I disable that...somehow that is related...but I digress. In the process of fixing that, I find out after deleting the printer, the original win 7 driver, Windows 10 updates the driver with a new printer applet and now I have full printer and scanner functionality when I had zero scanning function before without using a third party bodge. I almost want to sent them a thank you email. :p
     
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    It's perfect in every way.. haha//
     
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    the way i disabled the updates, it only prevents WU from downloading them during windows update checks, the device manager can still search windows update.
     
  12. fry178

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    they cant steal my data when my rig is offline (only go online when i need to), most things cortana/search etc are turned off,
    and i used o&o shutup/blackbird/sanitysetup/win10privacy/SB antibeacon, so google/fb will spread more of my data/personal info, than 10 ever will.

    i should have said for ppl like "avg joe", which is the target group for that kind of news.
    not those that can clone os drives/inject drivers etc.
    thats also why i said you "cant" do those things with 7, as +80% of users wont know how to do those work arounds,
    or that you cant get x570 drivers that i can install on 7, and the BSODs i got with 7 i didnt have on 10, so HW wasnt the cause.

    i like 7, and didnt care for 10 because of gui looking like its "win 3.1", but after someone helped me changing things with classic shell,
    so i dont really mind 10 anymore (outside that win now has stuff like "settings" vs using control panel only).
     
  13. Yxskaft

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    Fixed Windows 10 on all my PCs years ago, and it seemed to be faster even on my oldest PCs. It has also by far had the best support out of the box, the only driver I did have to fix myself was installing the Win8.1 driver for a Geforce 6 series GPU.


    I also don't like telemetry but it's always frustrated me seeing the same people complain about it on Win10, unquestionably still use Android phones and the play store apps for everything.


    Microsoft has made DX12 possible on Win7 but it's on a game-by-game basis. Existing DX12 games would need to be patched. They also say performance isn't as good as in Windows 10, which sounds similar to how Vulkan is supposed to also be better in Windows 10.
     
  14. fry178

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    again, out of the box use of 7+dx12 without any "additional" work past installing driver/games, no.
    i see it like sli/cf. yes i can gain perf but its not 100% and you (sometimes) have to live with micro stutter/frame pacing issues etc,
    so not something that +80% of users will deal with (or even know how to).
     
  15. D3M1G0D

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    Ha ha, that was actually my first thought when I heard about the telemetry stuff. "Oh, so Windows is now like Android and other modern OSes which track user activity." It was kind of surreal to see all the backlash against Windows 10, especially since user privacy was never a highlight of Windows before - let's face it, the only reason we use Windows is because most PC games require it.

    In general, I think those who cling to Windows 7 do so for the same reason that XP users clung on for so long - familiarity. People generally don't like change, and especially don't like being forced into it. Telemetry was a convenient excuse to avoid changing (even if it was ultimately inevitable).
     
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    If people don't like the "telemetry" now just wait until they begin forcing everyone on the DCH drivers, they contain surveillance-level amounts of "telemetry" that you can't turn off because of how it's packaged with UWP, Intel is already trying to force these drivers with newer hardware.

    But in the end it has nothing to do with "change" and everything to do with `forced updates that are specifically designed to bring unwanted and unwarranted change to the os at microsofts discretion, privacy issues and bloatware/adware being forced on users.
     
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  17. Tiny_Clanger

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    Im on a few more technical sites than this and Winaero stuff is safe to use and there are no bad reports. dont forget our own @mbk1969 is russian, a good bloke with some great stuff. :)
     
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    I am on WIN10, because I kind of have to be simply because the sabotage of WIN7 makes it a PITA to use/update for my Ryzen 5 2600, and nearly impossible on my Ryzen 3 2200g. That said, I had some time and decided to install Windows 7 one last time for kicks on the 2600. Here are my thoughts on it.

    1. I added the USB 3 support and the 2016(?) Convenience rollup to my ISO first and that was no problem at all.
    2. Everything installed fine but Windows Updates were simply blocked, completely. It pops up a new window about the hardware being intended for newer Windows and refuses to even check for updates at all, full stop. This is utter bull$***. Straight up sabotage.
    3. So I got all the updates via alternate method (a current update pack) and it was WAY faster than the usual Windows Update method anyway.

    Windows 7 is so...glorious to use compared to 10. Just SO MUCH less tweaking and disabling things and removing junk. Everything about it was much faster than Windows 10. All the parts like Event Viewer, Computer Management, etc just pop up and populate instantly where on 10 they are sluggish and even hang for a while at times. Windows 7 boots much faster than Windows 10...I have no idea where people get the idea 10 boots faster. I assume because they got an SSD at the same time or just because they installed clean and their old 7 install was riddled with junk? That or they allow it to use that fast boot crap that never really shuts down? I don't. I'm talking about a full clean boot.

    My games (Warframe) ran much smoother, less/no stutter. The whole UI of windows parts and added programs are snappy by comparison.

    The only things I like better about 10 are little things like the ability to copy/paste into the 'terminal' or paste a registry path into regedit and jump straight to it, but I have had superior (like O&O Regedit) replacements for those that could do that for years anyway. It has DX12....but yeah....who f'n cares. Vulkan.

    So in short, Windows 10 is utter and complete garbage (as was 8) in my opinion. It is literally just spy/adware. It does nothing at all that couldn't have just been added to 7 in a service pack.
     
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  19. Tiny_Clanger

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    Yeah, thats my experience too, w7 on 8th gen pentiums and i3, mx500 500gb ssd, all prefetch and superfetch stuff disabled.
     
  20. AntiSnipe

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    Same about prefetch, superfetch/sysmain, all disabled. Another example: I am updating my second rig as we speak, W10 LTSB and it took at least an hour to check for and install today's cumulative update + cumulative .NET update. An hour...for 2 minor updates. Like 30 minutes just "checking for updates". I could have clean installed, configured, and updated Linux in that time and had 10 minutes left to play games.

    Then afterward while cleaning up the residue it leaves, I was deleting the trash left in "C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download" and when I hit delete, it did a "calculating..." thing for like, I don't know as long as it would take to cut/paste the files to a slow HDD, then popped up the "you must provide admin blah blah", then did the whole "calculating" delay again before moving it to recycle been. Then I emptied the recycle bin....and it did the whole "calculating" thing and warning AGAIN....then spent longer than it would take to write the damned files to a HDD again when actually deleting them! So like a 4 part, redundant and repeated delay procedure just to delete a folder that should be as quick as delete>yes I really want to> zip>done.

    This is Windows 10 in a nutshell. Just garbage!

    Oh, and as I am typing this, I am STILL waiting for "Dism.exe /online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup /ResetBase" to complete on that second PC like 20 minutes later.....
     
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