Apple and NVIDIA first customers of TSMC 3nm/4nm chips made in new USA based Arizona Plant

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    What would happen if AMD would buy GF and make it competitive again? Would be a win win for everyone (except mostly for TSMC of course)
     
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    Something tells me even after this plant launches chips will be expensive.
     
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    Cost isn't really going to go down until Samsung starts delivering decent performance or you get an ASML competitor. Neither of which will probably ever happen.

    The goal with this move wasn't really to reduce cost but to avoid issues with China potentially attacking Taiwan and cutting off chip supply to US/Allies.
     
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    Yes that's my impression as well.
     
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    They sold GF cause they could not sustain it, owning a fab is very costly and having few bad years can put you under fast ... While as they are now amd is way more resilient . This is why I do not think AMD will ever get into fabbing business again anytime soon.
     
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    do not forget that Intel has several fabs outfitting for 4n equivalent that will be online around the same time with an older fab (Beaverton) updated too. Intel will have their European fab up as well and may actually outproduce TSMC again (operative word may).

    what is happening is the entire first world is hedging their bets re: China given the actions of lil'Vladdie.
    TSMC as outstanding (and a bag full of other superlatives) as they are, are still constrained by the fact that the lion's share of their fabs are in Taiwan. this is where Intel's advantages come into play as they're truly an international fab business with fabs on three continents (and you have to count N. America and Asia over 2x)
     
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    Vice President Biden? Who's the president then, Kamala? Please God no!
    Anyways, yes, this is for when China possibly attacks Taiwan. Although the U.S. could stop it if we wanted to. If China does try to take Taiwan, I really hope Taiwan destroys TSMC. You don't want China having that. Bring a ton of their workers here and the U.S. is golden and China is F'd.
     
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    so when in 2024? by time it open thing will either be worse worse, doubt it will help prices any
     
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    {dose of sarcasm not meant for you}

    the only thing it will help is the bottom line. TSMC is charging up to 100% surcharge for next gen processes (excepting 3D Cache where the honey is shared w/ AMD)...

    and N3 is going to be a long process...maybe even as long as 14nm and the surcharge is in effect through the next model year of devices (2023-2024) and if Intel's N3 & N4 aren't up and running i definitely suspect a continued surcharge.
     
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    Ha, yes I read that too and was second guessing myself saying is Joe Biden his relation or something? And Jim Biden or Bob Biden or something is the actual president!

    Also - "Apple's Tim Cook, NVIDIA's Jensen Huang, and AMD's Dr. Lisa Su" in same place at same time! That's a first, and probably last time ever for that too - a good nerdy future pub quiz question!
     
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    I was reading an article this morning about this very subject. The US have basically said they will not allow China to gain control of TSMC. I got the feeling they will level the TSMC fabs before it could fall into China's hands. As it would be an absolute disaster for the entire world if they controlled the most advanced semi conductor company.
     
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    Cost to consumers won't go down until the profits to nGreedia go significantly down from pushing too far even for the retards that pay just about anything.
     
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    Man we have some losers here thinking paying for overpriced GPU make someone a retard LOL, make me wonder what sort of EQ+IQ these losers have
     
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    Nah bruh, I'm a winner. And you can relax, I wasn't referring to 4090 buyers (that's debatable ;)), people with money will always buy the best even if it's outrageously overpriced and sets a stupid precedent. Now buying a 4080... that'd scientifically make someone a retard.
     
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    IDK, winners often have the humility not to call other people retard over a simple hobby

    When a person with dubious credibility call others people retard, 100% that they are one.
     
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    Win win! USA can scalp the poo out of their own market now while we have enough for the REST of the world... Let the glut begin and bottom out prices... I <3 capitalism, I mean FREE MARKET TRADE... yeh.. that's it...
     
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    Don't be down on yourself bro, just because you have dubious credibility doesn't mean you should insult yourself. Don't worry, the shame you feel about yourself will pass. Let's be serious, you're butthurt and you need to calm down, and everyone knows 4080 buyers are literally retarded; it's not an insult, it's a fact. Just because you want to have insane halo purchases justified doesn't mean the rest of the world has to play along and pretend it's not stupid. A person can buy whatever they like, and others can laugh at how stupid it is, we don't have to play along. :)

    You'll find I've always been quite consistent, even if it applies to myself: https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/w...ich-parts-you-can-afford.445600/#post-6076376

    Anyway...
     
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    Yeah I guess I shouldn't care about whatever brainless losers spew out of their mouth LOL.

    Reading some of your comments proved that you are a sore loser, so yeah...
     
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    Go enjoy your 4090, why are you seething unless you agree with what I'm saying and are having regrets? It's not like me laughing my ass off affects you, you big smart winner you, who totally doesn't have retard's remorse, has a sense of humour, and is very mature.
     

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