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Any significant dates/events coming up to schedule a Ryzen upgrade around?

Discussion in 'Processors and motherboards AMD' started by Grimbarian, Jul 18, 2018.

  1. Grimbarian

    Grimbarian Maha Guru

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    Howdy folks :)

    Planning to upgrade from my AMD FX8350 system to a Ryzen system at some point in the next few months, wondering if there's any planned hardware releases which will affect prices of the mid tier Ryzens?

    Not sure exactly which I'll go for but something around the AMD Ryzen™ 7 1800X Processor range so of course needing CPU/Mobo/RAM that's quite an investment and I'm assuming that Black Friday would be the best time to get a good deal on the three parts?

    Thanks in advance :)
     
  2. Fox2232

    Fox2232 Ancient Guru

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    Get Ryzen 2xxx, Ryzen 3xxx chips are to be expected at Q1 2019.
    If you intend to do manual OC and set everything yourself, you can go for non-X chip. If you intend to let it run on auto, X-chips will deliver higher value.
     
  3. Clawedge

    Clawedge Ancient Guru

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    Are you sure it's q1 fox? Sounds pretty early, not that I am complaining
     
  4. Fox2232

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    Definitely not before. There may be delays. But I think AMD already stated that designs were completed and they were doing final tweaking.
    With AMD Q1 means March as they are almost always late and do last minute launches :D

    it should make no difference for @Grimbarian as he is not looking at top Chip of the line. There it may have been wise to wait for improvements. But 2600 does not hit Power limits and all core maximum clock is bit better than that of 2700(x) and often getting there with bit lower voltage.
     

  5. Grimbarian

    Grimbarian Maha Guru

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    Thanks for the reply, yep plan to OC myself so don't see the point spending 100s more to only get faster clock speed, not exactly sure how much I'm going to spend on the CPU with how much the total is going to be, is there a modest motherboard that's recommended, ie max 100EUR / $120 or so?

    Edit: According to this: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-2700/3916vs3957 the 7 1800 and the 2700 have almost identical performance with the 1800 being 100EUR less, is there some obvious reason I'm missing why I shouldn't just go with the one that saves money?
     
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    With 2700, you are going to get around 200~250MHz higher clock at same voltage. So, if you target like 1.3~1.35V on core, you can expect 4.1~4.15GHz on 2700. I would say 1800 will get you to maybe 3.95~4GHz.
    So, it depends on your target clock and what voltage you consider "safe". With my 2700X there is huge loss of power efficiency as CPU hits 1.4V and power consumption can easily get from 135W to 200W just by rising clock by 100MHz and moving voltage from 1.35 to 1.425V.

    If you are fine with going to 3.9~4GHz and maybe having bit less power efficient CPU, then 1800 is OK. If you intend to run workloads requiring all cores quite often, I would opt for current generation of chips as there you can make very power efficient profile.

    Boards are tough things to pick in 100 Euro. From X470 boards I would not pick anything under ASROCK X470 Master SLI, and that's above limit. (This board is one of cheapest ones with X470 and has upper M.2 slot above graphics card => better airflow.)
    B450 boards are just popping in, so there some may be good enough. Always check rated power delivery for CPU/SoC as they should deliver at least 240W. (You never know how much you OC, or if your test workload is causing maximum possible power draw. Normal OC will draw like 160~180W with all cores loaded. So there should be some healthy reserve to keep VRMs in power efficient state.)

    I would pick from ASRock, ASUS, Gigabyte as my latest experience with high end MSI board is pretty bad. (Poor BIOS features in comparison to much cheaper boards from competition including OC features. VRMs for memory died even while I put exactly 1.35V on 4 memory sticks. RMA taking forever => Already 4 weeks in progress. No word back.)
     
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    "Alwayscheck rated power delivery for CPU/SoC as they should deliver at least 240W. "


    How does one determine this Fox?
     
  8. Grimbarian

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    Thanks for the advice @Fox2232 seems there's a lot more I'll need to be aware of for OC'ing a Ryzen compared to OC'ing my old warhorse the 8350!
     
  9. Fox2232

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    You have to find photos of PCB with serial on VRMs and their spec sheets. Or find someone who did this already and just confirm that they found out correct values.
    This information is usually not in manual. But sometimes manufacturer writes maximum power draw VRMs are designed for. (Problem here is that operating VRMs under those conditions will make them very energy inefficient... hot.)
     
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  10. Clawedge

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    Thanks Fox
     

  11. husky1055

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    If OP is looking for a budget build, there is a great deal on the ryzen 1700 going on right now. Coupled that with a Asrock x370 and there is a fantastic build for a great price. On the other hand, there is no denying that a 2600 cpu with a 450 board is a much better setup. If Fox is right about 2019 Q1 for the 3 series, I need to save my money now, just built a new ryzen 7 rig myself a couple months ago!!!
     

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