Annoyingly laggy mouse in Windows 11

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  1. Darren Hodgson

    Darren Hodgson Ancient Guru

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    Hi,

    Got my new i5-13600KF PC with 32 GB of DDR4 3600 memory last week and after installing the RTX 3080 graphics card from my old system and a few additional NVMe SSDs, SATA3 SSDs and a couple of backup hard drives, I have pretty much finished setting it up now. All my games are installed and the system is staggeringly fast, a massive improvement over my almost 10 year-old i7-4770K system with 16 GB DDR3 1600 memory.

    The motherboard is an ASUS Strix Z690-A Gaming WiFi D4 and Windows 11 Pro 22H2 is running all the latest updates from the Windows Insider Release Preview and is running from a 2 TB Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 SSD in a 500 GB partition with 240 GB free. The other 1.5 GB partition is used for games.

    Everything feels fast and slick... well, except for one thing and that is my Corsair M65 Elite RGB mouse which can feel oddly laggy when moving around in Windows for some reason. I have tried higher DPI settings and playing around with the iCUE software but nothing really fixes it. It is quite jarring compared with how responsive and speedy everything else runs.

    Has anyone else had any experience of this on their PC? Does anyone know what could be causing this?
     
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  3. mbk1969

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    Have you tried another mouse?
     
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  4. Chastity

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    Lower your poll rate to 500.
     
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  5. southamptonfc

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    Memory latencies make a big difference to mouse response. I'd look to tweak your timings.
     
  6. -Tj-

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    I run my razer viper at 4000hz and don't exhibit that on z490, a friend said his mouse can lag when he opens e.g. word text, then it ca mouse lag for a moment, he said he sees in gf experience using it hw acceleration, and then mentioned HAGS, but kind of doubt that, i bet its more of a gfe bug then not. I dont use gfe and have hags enabled and dont have the lag either.

    Maybe as caesar suggested update that usb firmware.. or try different usb port? Try the one that is connected to cpu for usb flashback.
     
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  7. mbk1969

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    Only in Windows you feel laggy mouse or in games too?
     
  8. Darren Hodgson

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    Thanks for all the replies, guys.

    After doing some further investigation, I found that there's a setting in Windows > Settings > Mouse that allows the mouse to scroll an inactive window (i.e. without clicking on it) and that this can cause the issue I am describing. I have now disabled that and I noticed that the mouse felt absolutely fine last night while I was using it in Windows.

    I suspect that part of the issue may have been the numerous updates and file transfers that were going on in the background while I was setting up my new PC and playing the odd game for a few minutes to check they were working. I had finished all these the day before so last night was the first night since I got my PC where there was no longer a lot of background stuff happening. I will try re-enabling that mouse scroll option and see if the issue reoccurs. By the way, this issue only affected Windows; I did not notice any additional lag in games but most of the games I play tend to be with a controller (Xbox Elite v2) anyway.
     
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  9. mbk1969

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    You will never prove me that poll rates higher than 1000hz are needed. And for not PvP games - higher than 500Hz.
     
  10. -Tj-

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    They are, once you taste 4000vs 1000, even 2000 can be felt.

    You see more accurate mouse aiming and whole mouse swipe feels/looks smoother.

    I ran 4000 switched to 2000 and immediately saw this, either pvp or pve, i still play destiny2 99% of the time and those are my findings from there.

    I don't run 8000 because it can have its quirks by some games
     

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    Depends on the FPS you are running. 4000 polling can be noticed when doing 240+ fps consistently. If only averaging 120 fps, then yeah, 1000 is fine.
     
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    Yeah, and audiophiles always buy most expansive cables because obviously they are marginally better then usual ones.
     
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    It is simply about mouse inputs not missing display refreshes. You need at least 500Hz for 144Hz display, else moving windows shows slight skipping. So you definitely need at least 1000Hz for 240Hz displays. It hasn't really anything to do with the kind of games one is playing.
     
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    That`s what I said initially - 1000Hz is enough. But there always be people saying they feel better with 4000hz, 8000hz and then with 16000Hz when it comes...

    500Hz is two times during one refresh rate of screen at 240Hz - even unaligned each screen refresh will get one updated measure from mouse.

    I doubt average player can move mouse in significant distance between polls when polling rate is higher than 1000Hz.
     
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    Yes, definitely placebo with 144Hz (and perhaps also 240Hz).
     

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    I noticed less blur when I swiped with the mouse while looking around even at 144hz. But ok, I eat this placebo xD
     
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    They are useful when using 480Hz displays. Just like 250Hz poll rate still has mouse aliasing judder on 120Hz displays, so does 1000Hz poll rate on 480Hz displays.

    However, it's not noticeable by everyone. I can clearly see the judder on 120Hz when using 250Hz poll rate. Can't see it anymore at 500Hz. But that's just me. Some people can still see it at 500Hz. It's there (it always is, even at 1000Hz) but it gets less and less the more you bump up the poll rate.

    Also, this kind of judder becomes way more visible if you use some form of motion blur reduction mode on your display (strobing, like ULMB or whatever.) So in those cases, if you think your mouse motion is jittery, raising poll rate helps.

    The easiest mouse aliasing judder test is to smoothly drag a window around your desktop. At 125Hz you will clearly see the judder if you use a high refresh rate display. It will disappear and the window will start to move around smoothly when you raise the poll rate.

    If you ever wondered what the "mouse smoothing" option in some games was actually invented for, it's to get rid of this judder by interpolating the mouse movement. Of course the superior way to do this is to raise the mouse poll rate.
     
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  20. mbk1969

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    I was not aware of 480hz displays...
    And I chose FreeSync instead of ULMB on my display...
     

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