Announcement AMD Radeon RX 6600 XT 8GB

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  1. Venix

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    This exactly ... Often the case is that people act like maxed sliders is the only way for the games to run while in a lot of cases depending on the game assets and engine you will not be able to tell medium details from ultra details with out side screenshot comparisons ..it varies ofc but gaming on a mix of medium-high till prices get to normal level is not the end of the world. Now if you have pockets deep enough to pay 1200 for a 3070 or something and to not care ,by all means power to you !
     
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    sorry, was US at the time

    i would've bought one @ $1,799 except i already pulled trigger on 6800xt and block for less
     
  3. tunejunky

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    one thing that you might notice is there is and will be greater availability on these cards.

    that's because these have a smaller die size so you get more out of each wafer than higher end cards and this is where the real battle for the market starts as mid-market sells the lion's share of gpus so you have the highest numbers of wafers slated for production.
    this is also where AMD has played best since Polaris and where the bulk of their production will lay (they have to play catch-up to earlier releases first but will quickly outsell them).
    Nvidia has also increased its production at mid-market for this generation, so midmarket gpu prices should be "normal" (+/- 10%)
    by Xmas. PS5 numbers are looking especially good for those at that end.
     
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  4. CrazY_Milojko

    CrazY_Milojko Ancient Guru

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    Can anyone here imagine situation some 10 years ago, when 1080p gaming was on its rise, someone told you in 2021 (not even a) mid-range 1080p card is going to cost $379 (most likely 450 to 500€ here were I am)? Why would I or anyone here buy that in 2021, at least for that much money? Aready bought few 1080p cards in past 10 years, they've costed less and for their time they were more capable for 1080p gaming compared to 6600XT atm. 6600XT even with FSR won't last that long for 1080p gaming and when RT kicks in this card is complete joke.

    Why would anyone here sane enough pay that much for 1080p card atm? I'm almost sure no one here at this forum, with enough gaming experience behind his back, would consider this card not even for basis 1080p gaming PC for his pre-teenage kid. Not at this price for sure.

    Clear as a day both AMD and NVidia with dirty moves like this one with AMD and 6600XT/$379 are "schooling" new generation of PC gamers to "adapt" them for new price tag for every new GPU they're going to release from now on. They can't fool us, old PC gamers, with this new doubled MSRP prices but new gen "fresh meat" PC gamers who don't know how it was before they're going to accept this situation sooner or later.

    Really hope AMD is gonna choke with this pathetic 6600XT release.
     
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  5. DannyD

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    Cards of today have incredible performance compared to the pants of yester-year, this comes at a cost.
    Could the cards of yester-year do ray tracing and dlss?, think not.
    Just some devil's avocado for you.:)
     
  6. CrazY_Milojko

    CrazY_Milojko Ancient Guru

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    6600XT is not gonna have "incredible performance" by any mean for $379, it's just a curent gen card loaded with new tech that could barely utilize these even on 1080p to maintain decent fps. Good luck with both RT and DLSS, pardon me: FSR, on 6600XT :p No one sane enough would pay MSRP $379, and we all know it's gonna cost more than that once it gets released to the wild, for a card that could do basic RT in games at 1080p and while struggling with RT in native res is producing low fps. FSR should help 6600XT with low fps while it RT'ing in 1080p but personally I'm not interested in 128bit card that would cost 450 to 500€ here and to swallow so many compromises just to play "well, it's OK enough" in 1080p. Pardon me, can't swallow that much. 5 years ago one could buy top-tier GPU for 450-500€ that could run any game at max with all the bells and whistles in 1080p.

    For anyone who wants to taste RT with a bit of a help from FSR's side on RDNA2 gen card at least RX 6700XT is what one should be aiming at, nothing less. But 6700XT atm also is in "just forget it" price range.

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    Not sure if you were one of many lucky ones who bought 2nd hand 2080Ti for $450-500 few days/weeks before RTX 3000 series launch but I can imagine these lucky folks still using 2080Ti with smile for 1080p/1440p gaming, let's say 2 years from now, and on the other side those who overpayed their 6600XT are struggling to play new AAA games on medium in 1080p.
     
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  7. DannyD

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    Yes i was one of the lucky ones, even made a thread about it one week before 3080 launch having £750 saved for one.
    These games you're talking about that the old £400 - £500 cards could max easily a toaster could max them these days.
    Things ain't gonna change soon you just gotta swallow it or .. i dunno? I paid £490 for a second hand 2080S couple weeks ago, had things been normal i could have gotten 3070 for around that.
    I know i'm repeating myself here but you must remember these cards are now little money trees as well as gaming cards and that comes at a premium.
    Right now a 6900xt will make you over sixteen hundred dollars yearly and that's after electricity being paid, if bitcoin gets back to where it was 3 months ago that'll be well over two thousand dollars.
    On the bright side 90% of bitcoin has been mined already, i'm too new to the scene to figure out how long it'll take to mine the last 10% but when that happens perhaps things will change.
    IMO the only reason cards have dropped in price the last month or so is the LHR cards taking over, at least on the green side.
    Just some input you folks know i'm not hating or baiting.
     
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    Glad to see at least one of us got lucky with 2080Ti for cheap :) Hope it's gonna serve you well, at least until this overblown GPU price madness ends.

    All of our gaming PCs, 3 + 1 (Maxwell), at home are based on Pascal GPUs and by the look of current situation on GPU market and prices following these we're going to skip both RDNA2 and RTX 3000 series. I have a feeling all the money we're collecting on a pile for GPU upgrade at the end it'll end up spend for a new car we're planing to buy in mid 2022. Wish we could do both, GPUs + new car, but not gonna happen if this mining craze continues.
     
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  9. Venix

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    i wanted to replace my 1060 6gb with a 3060 or 3060ti ... and i was ready to fire if it was on msrp ....well dropping settings lower and keep gaming on 1440p ... ok some times i go too loooooow but i still enjoy gaming :p i am not paying the current prices i will wait for the 4060 i guess ..... or 5060 if i have too ! never retreat never surrender ! THIS IS SPARTAAAA! :p

    @DannyD hehe you sure got a golden deal if i knew before hand i would have grabbed a 2080ti for 450-500 in a heart beat paying for shipping to europe too if i had too ! :p
     
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    DLSS is just for upscaler cause GPU has not enough power. Real time ray traysing has been done before RTX and XT cards.
     

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    Sadly they just used to. Not saying the 5500XT 200$/€ was a bad card, but not much of an upgrade/stepup from RX480 and they released it 3 years after Polaris/GCN4.

    The first reasonable and logical upgarade were the 5600XT and 5700, but those were overpriced too and had to pay extra +80$ for the performance uplift, basicly they were different tier vgas.

    Now the RDNA2 even more expensive, if price will be returning to normal they should really decrease their MSRP at least by 130$.
     
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    For 250$/€ this would be a RX480 repleacement card (even with its 128 bit memory). Anything above it is pure greed.

    It's quite pathethic how stagnant the vga market (in the sub 250$/€ category) became since mining, and how overpriced both companies midrange cards became not to mention their greed and disgusting marketing/brainwashing.

    I really like(d) ATI/AMD products, i bought/owned their cards since Radeon 7500, 9500@9700, HD3850, HD4850, HD6850, HD7850, RX480, but since then, they pretty much became a mehhh company in my eyes.
     
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    Today 400 Euro 2nd hand, i have get mine 550 some weeks ago real new unboxed 2nd hand from a miner.
     
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    1) "greed" isn't applicable when DDR and VRM prices have increased dramatically along with supply problems for everything including the pcb. PLUS, we are talking a new production node, not a mature process like RX480 (process is different from uArch).
    this is a new process AND a new uArch, both entail higher prices until the number of sales create an economy of scale.

    2) no manufacturer sees retail prices or benefits from anything other than the dealer cost. sell outs are fantastic, they love backorders, but they do not reap the obscene profits of scalpers.

    3) the gpu market is anything but stagnant. the last five years has brought about the fastest and greatest gpu's that have ever existed at the fastest rate of change recorded.

    it's o.k. to be frustrated and unhappy at the supply level and the cost of the mining craze, but direct your anger at the responsible parties.
     
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    Depends on your definition of stagnant - the performance/$ has not changed much in the last 5 years at this price range. If you only have that much to spend what do you gain?
     
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    good point taken, but most performance gains do not come with a stated $/perf. margin

    i think the biggest problem is the gamedevs. they know they make a bigger profit just porting games than designing them for all of the latest eyecandy.
    but since i've bought a gtx 1080 i bought a Radeon VII, RTX 2070, and RX 6800xt
    each time i got the "jollies" but i know that i could've kept the 1080 and still play all of the newest games regardless of RT.

    i want devs to go back to pushing the envelope to give us games with a minimum req. of a gtx 1080 instead of just implementing global lighting and or HDR
     
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    We have to wait for Stalker 2 for that. As you saw the system req. its exactly that with 8gb cards as minimum.
     
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    I think we all know that the newer cards will be more expensive than ever and i'm guessing the RTX 4080 will be a £1000+ and if there's a Ti version it's gonna be £1200+ and that's only recomended price, i'm sure retailers will bump that up a bit too. :(

    Over £300 for this card is a joke. Even the RX6800XT is a over a grand now. This is a sickness ruining PC gaming of the future. I swear this is going to end badly for us PC gamers as people decide to just skip all the GPU War BS and just go for a console.

    I read an article somewhere saying both Sony and Microsoft are planning to release upgraded versions of the PS5 and Xbox series X in the not so far away future. << Might not be true but just a rumour, we'll see in 6 months whether this is indeed right.
     
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    At this point in time I would assume most "pc gamers" have video cards less powerful than a gtx 1080... looking at the current steam hardware survey results shows the GTX 1060 as the current most popular video cards at 8.90% of steam users, followed by the GTX 1050 Ti as second most popular, followed by the 1650 as third most popular, then the 4th most popular is the RXT 2060 which from my understanding is close to a GTX 1080 in terms of performance.... GTX 1080 is 13th most popular with 1.63% of Steam users.
     
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    Hilbert's article states it beats the 3060 so it can't be all that bad eh?
    2015 minimum wage uk £6.70
    2020 minimum wage uk £8.72
    You guys see where i'm coming from no?
     
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