American cars... are they all like this?

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  1. The Chosen 1

    The Chosen 1 Master Guru

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    Just wondering with all the talk about the environment and reducing pollution and whatever why do people seem to think that 30mpg (7.84l/100km) is good?

    I don't understand why people think that they need 6 and 8 cylinders engines for driving around in the city... a 4 cylinder engine is more than enough for the usual city and highway driving...

    American cars websites are like "30mpg ... our biggest achievement since sliced bread". And then the other car manufacturers have to follow...
    Example:

    Volkswagen Golf engines start at 5 cylinder, 2500cc, 170 hp gas engine with 30mpg... lol.

    In Europe, they start at a 1.4, 80hp gas engine with 47mpg(5.1l/100km).
    The diesel version starts at a 1.6, 90hp engine with 62mpg(3.8l/100km).

    In Europe, Ford have a Fiesta with a 1.6, 90hp engine with 64mpg(3.7l/100km).
    I can't find it in the American website...

    Peugeot has a 1.6 diesel engine with 90hp and 72mpg(3.3l/100km).

    I guess Americans don't care about this because all i see is high powered gas guzzling cars that consume more while idling then a 1.2 in the highway. The air must be nice there and the gas must be cheap.

    Edit: Used US MPG.
     
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  2. TroM

    TroM Ancient Guru

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    It's not all about MPGs...

    And this thread sucks, like the past 20 threads that sucked or were troll attempts. FFUUUUUU
     
  3. IcE

    IcE Don Snow Staff Member

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    The cars that advertise 30MPG as being "amazing" are usually full sized SUV's and trucks. Also, while the cars you mentioned have great mileage, their horsepower numbers a laughable. Gas mileage isn't the only thing. It's also silly to directly compare American and European general cars since they're designed differently. Here in the states everything is extremely spread out. In Europe, it's a lot more condensed.
     
  4. gurusan

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    Different markets. You'd get laughed at driving something with 90hp. I know because my 1st car was a Nissan sentra which had somewhere around 90hp :/

    ...and as stated, the vehicles that boast 30mpg are usually large displacement trucks or SUVs.
     

  5. Sash

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    My only complaint about these kind of cars is that they usually make a V6 or V8 and over 2000 ccm and they can bareley get 200 HP from it, and torque is laughable, but yeah, i dont know why it makes sense to do this, plus the mileage is so bad!
     
  6. gurusan

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    Those are mostly 80s and 90s engines...but yes, I'm not a big fan of American cars either..although I do like the Corvette
     
  7. IcE

    IcE Don Snow Staff Member

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    Well, at least the quality level has finally caught up with the rest of the world (Except for GM maybe). The big ones over here just did what they always have and never improved anything until the Japanese market showed up. I agree with you though, I've always preferred European cars. My dad even drives a Jaguar (although it's a POS, 15 different electrical and mechanical problems so far).
     
  8. Sash

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    Ye, i wonder what would had happen to Lexus if Toyota had never stepped in?
     
  9. gurusan

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    pfff..don't forget Honda!!!
     
  10. !H'Guru

    !H'Guru Master Guru

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    Welll. my BMW 123d has 200HP and around 400Nm tourque. In the city I get 1 liter for 12 km, and on the highway (120km/h) I get, when using cruisecontrol 1 liter on 17.5 km.

    The engines, from the 118d to the 123d, are all the same 2000cc 4 cylinder diesel engine. Take that!

    Just kidding :). But check the 0-100km/h time :). This is definitly not slow!
     

  11. IcE

    IcE Don Snow Staff Member

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    Diesel engines are in a different league, not really fair to compare them to a regular gasoline based engine.
     
  12. gurusan

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    The 123d is extremely impressive, which is why it won engine of the year in 2009.
     
  13. Leafblower

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    A lot of people do have 4 cylinders...don't see were you got that from and gas is not cheap it's ~$2.60 per gallon.
     
  14. DES_MX

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    To OP:
    As long as the government is not going to impose strong environmental regulations on car manufacturers and/or consumers themselves (calculated as a penalty to the price, in a form of extra tax/% above certain mpg usage and co2 exhaust level) one one hand; and as long as the social and environmental responsibility of both customers and manufacturers is not going to shift towards more efficient, environmentally friendly products - nothing will get through to the thick headed Americans. I am sorry, but it is unfortunately true.

    Is there really a correlation with having the biggest pair of balls and the largest volume engine and amount of valves?
     
  15. !H'Guru

    !H'Guru Master Guru

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    1.48 euro's in the Netherlands per LITER! that's 0.27 US gallon if 1 US gallon = 3.78 Liter.

    When you translate that price to the US, that's 8 dollars!!!! for 1 gallon.
     

  16. DES_MX

    DES_MX Master Guru

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    Word. Now lets say we impose these gasoline prices on US. Uniformly. In other words all gas stations in the whole US (and heck lets take Canada too) get prices of $8 a gallon, or higher. + If your car's co2 per km is above 150g/km you get a raise of $1500 to vehicle price. If its above 175g/km you get $3000 to vehicle price. And if its lets say above 190g/km you pay extra $5000 vehicle price (on purchase/or transfer of old vehicle). Are you still gonna go for that V8?? V6?? Don't make me laugh.

    Think about environment instead though. At least most people here in Europe do. Or at least pretend they do. Or they just dont have a choice because of these regulations. Either way --> more responsible choices!
     
  17. Goliath182

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    I pretty much don't really care about MPG which is why I bought a Mustang, and why im going to buy a 90's Yukon/Tahoe for when I move to the UP.
     
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    I want my Camaro now...

    P.S. And i'm european
     
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    I don't give a crap out my co2 emissions, I just want to make sure that if I am getting crappy fuel mileage it's because the engine is making a lot of power .

    I'm a motorsports engineering student :D
     
  20. DES_MX

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    Thats professional, and is therefore acceptable I suppose! :)
     

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