AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition 23.30.13.01 for Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora Release Notes

Discussion in 'Videocards - AMD Radeon Drivers Section' started by cra3khead, Nov 28, 2023.

  1. Macer

    Macer Master Guru

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    I ran the Forspoken benchmark. It seems that the performance is better with HAGS turned off.

    1440P + FSR 3.0 FG Native AA: HAGS On 87 FPS vs HAGS Off 89 FPS

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  2. cra3khead

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    I find this statement from AMD weird since browsing the forums since the 11008 UWP driver, which reintroduced HAGS on all dGPU's that supported the driver. I had always seen RDNA 2 benefiting from HAGS, whereas RDNA 3 cards either saw negligible performance differences or, as @Macer just posted above, performance degradation. I guess they need more reasons for users to purchase RDNA 3+ products, as their performance improvements are literally left to interpretation.
     
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    This is the first driver that supports hags i think they will focus on improving and support on rdna3 cards for the future releases. As for rdna2 this is far as it goes. No anti lag+, no hags we are lucky we got afmf.
     
  4. cra3khead

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    I just dislike the fact that AMD fully intends on removing features they have introduced previously, such as Anti-Lag+ for RDNA 3, HAGS, which was introduced twice for RDNA 2, and the original AFMF, which was simply frame interpolation for media on GCN, and no plans on implementing VSR when they have been clearly losing the feature parity competition to Nvidia.
     
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    hags for weak cpu
     
  6. Trunks0

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    Isn't HAGS kinda pointless right now on Radeon hardware since it already handles elements of its driver stuff on GPU?
     
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    +Drop support of Vega , polaris line.

    AMD make priority i suppose with current capacity of dev.

    For VSR (Only 7000 ? We don't know) , it's probably on pipeline but amd have many things to delivery before like AFMF + antilag+ , we need to wait Q1 2024.
     
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    Are you talking about Virtual Super Resolution? Its not available on 7000 series?
     
  9. Trunks0

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    It is. They also appear to have extended support to 32:9 working better. So... It's been getting better...?

    But I think they mean RTX Video Super Resolution. It's nVidia's AI video upscaler. MS built a vendor agnostic version of the same idea into Edge. It's kinda cool, if not a little niche.
     
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    Did some quick benchmarks comparing these drivers to 23.11.1 WHQL and in Timespy, Firestrike Ultra, and Speed Way my graphics scores went up ~2% in all of them. I used my 'everyday' undervolt/overclock.
     

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    What happened to AMD with Anti Lag + could be seen as poetic justice.
     
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    Video upscaling would be more useful for me than AntiLag+, fsr,hags and afmf.
    But whatever I think it's time for them to keep their head down and do some hard work behind the scenes. Maybe in a year they can have everything in a working state without any issues.
     
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    I tested the driver in 3 UE5 games with HAGS, the performance increase was in the margin of statistical error, but it was negligible, 1 frame on average and minimum, I get the impression that HAGS works better on Nvidia cards because the programming makes it the driver (software) unlike AMD which has it in the hardware, maybe this is the reason why some games see a small increase while others have reduced performance.
     
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    is HAGS supported with this driver on integrated graphics like the 780M? says not supported on mine 7840HS
     
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    Anyone using this driver over hdmi? I used to see YCbCr 444 now I only have the 2 RGB options. 7900xtx with a Samsung Neo G8 4k @240hz is what Im running with HDMI 8k cable. monitor driver is installed.
     

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    Yeah HAGS is just for specific scenarios in some specific games that are single threaded or have heavy use on the CPU by moving the scheduling from the CPU to the GPU.

    In my mind hags was always about Nvidia screaming at Microsoft to help them with the driver overhead. I'm not sure if hags can be better than the default AMD drivers scheduler. Maybe in a few games. Imo this will make zero difference on AMD GPUs... Overall
     
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    It sounds like a very usefull feature it just need some optimizations.
     
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    I'm not sure that it can be optimized further than what we already have without hags. That's why I think this is mostly for nvidia users...their driver overhead is real and hags can be helpful there especially with the newer games that are hitting CPUs pretty hard with all the RT and lower resolution rendering from DLSS etc. If I remember correctly HAGS is required for DLSS3...that is enabled by default on W11 so that's why most people didn't notice this little detail.
     
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    HAGS might be a requirement for some future D3D developments. Or not, who knows. But it's not really any better on Nvidia, e.g. Fortnite still didn't ran great on the 4070 when it came to stutter and CPU bottleneck, despite HAGS.
    Not saying it'd be perfect on the 7800 XT, but the difference vs. Nvidia is enough to be crucial with now lowend 5700X.
     
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    Yeah it's for from perfect on either side. I would enable it only for testing to compare hags on vs off. Otherwise I would still keep it disabled. It will probably be ready for mass usage when W12 arrives :)
     

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