@Loophole35 still lol.. @SirDremor only ignorant or fan clan ppl would go with a brand giving you less cores, consuming more power, running hotter all while charging more for the same, not even talking about a new chipset every time a "new" cpu gets released. @schmidtbag lots ppl do have one rig for work AND "other stuff". not everyone wants two separate rigs, just so their are "optimized" another 10-20% towards their "dedicated" use. At least i dont know anyone (self employed) that has a dedicated rig they only use for render/editing. Not counting laptops etc (to be portable). Same for me. Do i need 10/12/16C for my games? surely not. But when i edit/encode, i will see a difference, which is enough for me to think about going X399 instead of X370. unless amd puts out a x1900 10 or 12C ryzen..