Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Jun 25, 2020.
Im sure even 3600 beats the 10400.
Do people not realize that most people don't actually want to overclock their CPUs, and not everyone already has a Ryzen 1700x/2600x/3700x? These are better and faster than what was available before. Is it worth it? Up to the buyer. This release also made the previous non "XT" versions cheaper for us (enthusiasts who whine about $20 differences for price/performance but spend $230 on case lights). What does AMD get for that? grief.
What exactly is wrong with these other than they aren't the 4700x yet? Does AMD have to cater soley to the enthusiast market? It's a minor refresh at the same prices the originals sold at.
Do Not Buy: Intel i5-10400 CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. 3300X, 3600, 10600K (ft. 2666 & 3200 RAM)
Heavily Tuned AMD Ryzen 5 3600 vs. Intel i5-10400: RAM Timings & Overclocks
The 3900X hasn't been MSRP in an eternity. The last several times I've seen it listed it was well beyond 20% lower than MSRP. Why the frack do people keep saying it's fine because it's the 3900X's original MSRP from the Mesozoic era? You do realize time didn't freeze, right? I know people get drunk and high and say stupid crap, we all do at some point, but holy crap I can bite my tongue for only so long... are you guys eating Tide Pods while getting pegged by AMD?
"Haaay guise! The AMD K8 Retardo Edition without MMX, a cooler, and a negative 20MHz OC had an MSRP of over $9000 during 65,000,000 BC as the meteor hit. Therefore with inflation it's infinity billion dollars now, so it's okay that AMD are setting that MSRP for a different product in this aeon!"
What the frack?
if that is stock 3900XT something wrong as my 3900X at stock and running faster and with lower boost clock and i have not even water cooled it yet
I'm guessing it's shitty RAM with a really low Fabric clock. Every review ever, and especially every random benchmark like this, seems to use really slow RAM with a low Fabric and controller clock. This my result with a ton of garbage running in the background.
just got to wait and see, i am looking forward to the next gen AMD/Nvidia GPUs,
think AMD CPUs are getting ahead nice, Intel just lost there deal with Apple, Apple are going to make there own CPU, i did read help from AMD, but time will tell if that story is true.
Yes you can go that route if you have the time an patience to do so. Not many people have that kind of time or rather they don't want to even bother fine tuning their ram that much. Steve did say they spent like a day fine tuning the ram to get these results. Anyway you look at it the 10400 is still a poor buy. Also the end user isn't going to be doing this.
All AMD did is to add a few more SKUs as demand is strong for these CPUs, apparently. Had nothing at all to do with Zen 3 being late and all of that related gossip. Intel silently adds SKUs religiously... You know, one SKU being clocked 10MHz higher than another, etc.
If I need a build right now I would buy one no questions asked.
My opinion however is that AMD is pulling a Nvidia in cpu's...last breath of current silicon tweaked and/or binned. Like ti's
Doesn't matter how much time has passed if it's the exact same thing but better-binned.
People here have already given a good reason:
5% faster, 20% more expensive. And, you don't get a heatsink (not like anyone buying this would use it anyway, but you're still getting less for what you paid).
Also, I would argue this product only caters to enthusiasts. I highly doubt you're going to find this CPU in a Dell or HP (maybe not even an Alienware) and any workstation users are going to go to Threadripper (if they want AMD).
Those on 1xxx Ryzen, grab a non-xt for a discount for an already-great processor capable of whatever you need. Those with 1xxx or 2xxx can also wait another two weeks and grab a nice 3900xt / 3800xt, for an acceptable boost (but not really night/day if already having 2xxx series).
I will take 5% and works-with-current-boards (this is what the community wanted and hence went bonkers over possibly not having!!!), over nothing any day. That still beats the modest 2% we were getting from intel before Ryzen showed up and peed in intel's Cheerios.
These are yields from process refinement and also from stuff that was binned high for higher-end HEDT stuff that didn't sell as well, and stuff that could have gone EPYC now that most of the glut of contracts are fulfilled (though they're still moving them quite nicely, not as much as when it first hit obviously). So now we consumers get a little extra cake here.
For what I do with content creation, 5% would translate to hardly noticeable. However, if one is upgrading from a 3600 or smaller series chip (or older series), to something like a 3900XT, YES you WILL notice the difference without needing an FPS counter - especially the older series.
My only question is... Where's the 3950XT AMD??? I really would love one. I am sure though the answer is in the fact that this 7nm process is pretty much maxed out and pushed as far as it can legitimately go (barring Nuclear-class amounts of heat and power use).
Can't always have everything your way, though. Very happy with my stock 3700x, compared to my old hot pig of a 4790k that couldn't OC to save it's hide, and had to be delidded and fed liquid metal with a 100% designer air-cooling unit on it, just to NOT overheat at stock 4.4ghz...I don't miss my Haswell one bit!
No fussing with overclocking, don't need super-duper high-end 200~300$ or more motherboard, don't need super-duper fancy cooling because 7nm will stay pretty cool/quiet even with the stock heatsink and fan in a decent sound-deadened case (on that topic - I've never even heard the chip set fan, it makes no noise, I would never even know if it's actually spinning or not). Don't need to take processor apart with delid tool and then fuss with those annoying LGA socket pins trying not to bend them. I like this better. Maybe some who love trying to make a good overclock and get a good dice roll on their chip and get a super-duper fast albeit energy-munching PC, will miss it on Ryzen - however - I don't miss the room heating up to 80+ F every-day.
I don't see where there's room to complain, really. Unless you must get every ounce of 144fps in Fortnite or Counter Strike, you'll be fine with the Ryzen setup and it will cost quite a bit less. However, for any real men who are legit gun owners, we don't need multiplayer shooty-shooty, we go to the range or out hunting in the woods for an afternoon to do that stuff.
I am anxious to see what Vermeer / Renoir is bringing to desktop though (or whatever the next generation of Ryzen will be called).
This processor release is to keep product moving, since they have a lot of it; and to keep pace with intel's latest release so there isn't too much separation in performance.
HINT: This is COMPETITION, be happy, be thankful that we have it; or you can go quietly back to your hole without such a fuss and enjoy your quad-core i7.
MSRP is MSRP. The 3900X STILL HAS AN MSRP of $499. Not sure why people are crying that the MSRP for XT is remaining the same, how about wait until it launches and see what the ACTUAL street prices are? Chances are it will be a small premium over the X and quickly drop..much like every other AMD processor has before it.
And the Wraith Prism was shitty, no better than any $20 cooler (though the RGB does look cool), and AMD was being penalized for it. Go look at review sites and see how many review sites used the stock cooler on their Ryzen reviews, and compared it to Intel with some $150 AIO. Considering Ryzen literally adjusts its performance automatically according to thermals and people cry about Intel vs AMD over a few percent performance, that is a big f---ing deal and AMD should have NEVER provided a cooler with their higher end CPUs.
The only reason XT line would make sense is if they can somehow do faster than 1900 Mhz IF (1933 on some chips more rare than actual rainbow unicorns)
Let's say they could do 2000 - such a feat would reduce inter-core latency by another 5%, and with the right memory this would be noticeable in certain games, even to the point of beating Intel K chips
But I doubt it ... since not even 3950X can, and that one has the best binned dies.
But I'm sure there are plenty of people without that highly praised "common sense" that will pay through their nose for that 0.1Ghz.
Rubbish. MSRP is horseshit. If an item is selling for half of MSRP and a near identical product is coming out, you're still going to say it is what it is? Please. It's like you ignored every single thing I wrote and decided to just parrot the same meaningless dribble that has been spewed out over and over like it's coming from an AMD sales rep. It's old, it's never been selling at that price since launch, and better will be available soon.
"MSRP is MSRP", sure, if it's being set up by a moron who doesn't understand how the market works and doesn't want sales, like the endless stock of 3800X chips lying around which they practically had to give away, much like the 2700 before that which was priced almost the same as the 2700X until they had to throw them damn things into a dumpster.
I will repeat him and what other said "The 3900XT is the exact same MSRP as the 3900X when it released." and "MSRP is MSRP", which is true and what wrong with that ?
If you complain the price is too high so go ahead. I just don't understand why you have to be this mad and calling out others "Moron", "Rubbish", "Saying stupid crap"... !!? Just Why ?
Yeah the videos point was I guess that the 10400 is really poor buy.
Sorry, but you being ripped off is not done by AMD. They do not say: "Hey, that's Poland, lets price hike."
It is your local distribution chain and shops.
Guys, don't forget. Non-XT parts are still out there. The demand is still strong for them. If the XT parts offered better price to performace ratio, we'd call AMD stupid for disrupting the sales of their own products.