AMD Ryzen 7000X3D is not overclockable, however will support for PBO 2 and the Curve Optimizer

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Jan 24, 2023 at 6:58 PM.

  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

    Messages:
    45,505
    Likes Received:
    12,491
    GPU:
    AMD | NVIDIA
  2. haste

    haste Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    2,079
    Likes Received:
    997
    GPU:
    GTX 1080 @ 2.1GHz
    Isn't PBO and curve optimizer unlocked for 5800X3D as well? At least with latest AGESA/BIOSes?
     
  3. Horus-Anhur

    Horus-Anhur Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    5,843
    Likes Received:
    7,095
    GPU:
    RX 6800 XT
    Who is in charge of the updating the product pages on AMD? This is the second time they screwed up with information on the product page for these Zen4 CPUs.
    Are they copying and pasting without checking what they are doing?
     
    barbacot, Airbud, tunejunky and 3 others like this.
  4. Mr. Sunshine

    Mr. Sunshine Master Guru

    Messages:
    239
    Likes Received:
    75
    GPU:
    SapphireNitro V64
    On most boards yes. So nothing new. It will be the same as 5800X3D. OCing with the BCLK should still work as 5.125-5.150ghz should be doable. Maybe 5.2ghz on lucky board.
     

  5. user1

    user1 Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    2,324
    Likes Received:
    994
    GPU:
    hd 6870
    bclk overclocking is much better on ryzen 7000 so it shouldn't make much difference on a good board , as it can accept an external clock just for the cpu cores like pinnacle ridge can, so no issues with pcie and the like.

    sort of , you cant use a cpu clock override on the 5800x3d, so with 7000x3d you will get +200mhz , not just the extended power limits and undervolting.

    edit:actually i cant confirm that, the page i read that is gone so i guess we'll just wait and see
     
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2023 at 7:46 PM
  6. GarrettL

    GarrettL Master Guru

    Messages:
    295
    Likes Received:
    176
    GPU:
    Asus Strix 2070S
    I think the delayed release of the 7000x3d cpu's is due to this very issue. Why else all the confusion? It would appear AMD is confused about what it can do too.
     
    mentor07825 likes this.
  7. Venix

    Venix Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    2,842
    Likes Received:
    1,522
    GPU:
    Palit 1060 6gb
    Well ... There must be something they afraid some users might do ... Since those will be their best CPUs until Ryzen 8xxx 3d comes out the have no other reason to lock em up no ?
     
  8. Kaarme

    Kaarme Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    3,289
    Likes Received:
    2,146
    GPU:
    Sapphire 390
    Based on these incidents, I'd say nobody is in charge. Somebody just does it on the side of their real job. The results then speak for themselves.
     
    barbacot, Airbud and Horus-Anhur like this.
  9. Neo Cyrus

    Neo Cyrus Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    10,385
    Likes Received:
    1,071
    GPU:
    TUF RTX 3080 OC
    The answer could be more simple... they might just want to pull an Intel and artificially gate performance. I certainly believe they did that with the 5800X3D.

    I have one and it runs cool, with the L3 running far cooler than the cores. IIRC the L3 runs no higher than 52C while the cores are stressed even to 80C+. I use PBO2 tuner to undervolt it to get a pseudo overclock, and it does make a significant difference under 100% load. The 5800X3D, at least my sample, appears to have a ton of headroom with no good reason that I can find for it to be locked down.
     
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2023 at 9:37 AM
    emperorsfist, Venix, Airbud and 2 others like this.
  10. mentor07825

    mentor07825 Member Guru

    Messages:
    152
    Likes Received:
    91
    GPU:
    Nvidia RTX 3080
    Completely understandable. As an indie company it is really hard to keep on top of these things. I know that when I make something even I am confused as to what it can do and its properties as well!
     

  11. WhiteLightning

    WhiteLightning Don Illuminati Staff Member

    Messages:
    29,869
    Likes Received:
    2,796
    GPU:
    Inno3d RTX3070
    damn, so it will be slower then top tier. hope vanished.
     
  12. Undying

    Undying Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    20,747
    Likes Received:
    9,077
    GPU:
    RTX 3070 OC
    What does that mean? 5800x3d did not support overclocking it runs at poorly 4.2ghz and it still plays with the big boys.
     
  13. WhiteLightning

    WhiteLightning Don Illuminati Staff Member

    Messages:
    29,869
    Likes Received:
    2,796
    GPU:
    Inno3d RTX3070
    There is more then playing games. :)
     
  14. Undying

    Undying Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    20,747
    Likes Received:
    9,077
    GPU:
    RTX 3070 OC
    I think these 3d v-cache cpus are meant to excel at gaming everything else comes second.
     
    Picolete, mentor07825, Airbud and 5 others like this.
  15. WhiteLightning

    WhiteLightning Don Illuminati Staff Member

    Messages:
    29,869
    Likes Received:
    2,796
    GPU:
    Inno3d RTX3070
    Well it would be nice if overclocked it would be as fast.
     

  16. Horus-Anhur

    Horus-Anhur Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    5,843
    Likes Received:
    7,095
    GPU:
    RX 6800 XT
    There are very few work applications that benefit from all that extra cache.
    The only people that should care about these 3DV cache parts are gamers.
     
    Picolete, Venix, eGGroLLiO and 7 others like this.
  17. GarrettL

    GarrettL Master Guru

    Messages:
    295
    Likes Received:
    176
    GPU:
    Asus Strix 2070S
    The 5800x3d will go down as the crown jewel gaming cpu of the AM4 socket era.

    If you use your pc for tasks other than primarily gaming the 5900x would be the better choice for the AM4.

    If you want really fast and really hot then Intel is it.
     
    Picolete, mackintosh, Venix and 5 others like this.
  18. WhiteLightning

    WhiteLightning Don Illuminati Staff Member

    Messages:
    29,869
    Likes Received:
    2,796
    GPU:
    Inno3d RTX3070
    Like i said it would have been nice if it was overclockable and performance would be on par with stock 7900 or 7950.
    I care about both , nothing wrong with that.
     
    Venix, tunejunky and GarrettL like this.
  19. Horus-Anhur

    Horus-Anhur Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    5,843
    Likes Received:
    7,095
    GPU:
    RX 6800 XT
    I understand that, but using 3DV cache limits heat transfer out of the CPU. So we can't expect these CPUs to clock as high.
    Still, the 7950X with one CCX with cache and another without it, might be the best of both worlds.
     
    Airbud likes this.
  20. WhiteLightning

    WhiteLightning Don Illuminati Staff Member

    Messages:
    29,869
    Likes Received:
    2,796
    GPU:
    Inno3d RTX3070
    True , I had my doubts as well , but since it was mentioned on AMD's site, i got excited.
     
    tunejunky likes this.

Share This Page