Sorry what exactly do those tests you linked prove? Because reading them don't really tell me anything useful, and don't really prove that 200MHz on ryzen scale better than 200MHz on coffee lake, all i see is different values for each game, for GTA V it might be accurate what you say, but not for hitman, where for example the 8700K gains 7 fps, stock vs overclocked, or the 9700 or on Civilization VI where the 8700K gains almost 10 fps vs the stock version and again the 9700K gains almost 6 fps vs the stock , while the 2700X gains 5fps. These say nothing at all, and they're very dependant on the game engine, so they're not at all a proof of any kind. Also ryzen IPC is higher not coffee lake, since it perform not that differently with a much lower clock... If single threaded performance is higher, you'll find almost no game behaving better on ryzen, and that's true until now, just go check any benchmark between similar processors, the one with higher single threaded performance will perform better in most of the game, not give or take. It did in the past, why are you expecting it to change suddenly? It's the same architecture, a few improvements won't change something so rooted, pretty much like intel won't solve their problems just improving 14nm and creating "new generations" of cpu with the same architecture and lithography It does matter still, maybe not like it did in the beginning, but it won't digest anything below 2933MHz fine, and performance will be affected, i'm sure they're working on that as ryzen 2000 to 1000 already saw decent improvements. 9900K reaches automatically 5GHz via its boost, so it's not really an overclock, because it doesn't need me to act on anything inside the bios. I see a 14% advantage for the 9900K actually, which is also stated in the article. Yes, for some reason i totally ignored that because i thought that 12 cores were too much for me, but if it performs good in games too (hence single threaded perf), possibly better than the 3800X (which is possible due to the higher frequency), then i might jump on that. Again, look at the article, and both the images. No i said that pcie 4.0 is useless, but not for me, for everyone for the time being, but it's not like the new x570 only has pcie 4.0 as a new feature, and i said i would definitely buy a x570 as a motherboard in the case of a ryzen 3000 build. If the features we're talking about are better VRM and similar stuff, i'm VERY interested in those, that's why i was justifying my choice for a x570. And i'm happy about that, because if they make worthy products they have all the rights to charge for that, and customers will be more than happy to. I don't upgrade or build new systems frequently nowadays, but when i do i have to get something that convinces me 100%, hence i'm still running a 2600K and it's been almost 8 years Why would i want that if there's already a better CPU for gaming wich no need of overclocking (not that i wouldn't overclock it), do you think any of those x299 CPUs would reach 5GHz handily? I'm not sure about that, and since they already consume more than a z390, imagine with such big overclock...Oh i do know very well how much of a power hog is a 9900K don't worry, but still that's capable of giving top single AND multi-threaded performance. Do you think i came here because i needed some suggestions for buying stuff? I don't like the 9900K in fact i wouldn't buy it if there was something better, but if the choice was to be only between that and the 3800X i'd buy the first. I don't want anything, i'm not asking anything, i'd just like nobody was a fan and everyone was honest with themselves and with the others, that's all i'd like to see. The rest i don't really care. 14% is a lot, how 200MHz relate to that i don't understand...What do you think 200MHz going to give you exactly? On some game they can give you 3 fps more, on an average of 90, on some other 5 fps, on something else even more, but that's based on games, and how they work, on some game you might not even see any difference, 14% consistent more performance in single threaded applications is something you'll find everywhere, and notice everywhere, especially in videogames, ofc the results will change based on the game, but 14% more single threaded performance in general you have, not a couple of fps more just because maybe the game is capable of stressing more than 4 cores. Yeah right i'm a poor homeless guy. It is a crappy overclocker, no doubt, will it be fast nonetheless, ofc, but it still remains a crappy overclocker, because intel brought up the frequency and sold it to me like it was a great achievement from their part, when in fact i could've done the same, and be happier with the result while having the same performance and a less excuse for them to increase the pricing.