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AMD Ryzen 7 3700X & Ryzen 9 3900X review with benchmarks leaks out

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Rich_Guy, Jul 5, 2019.

  1. H83

    H83 Ancient Guru

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    Nice results from AMD. Their performance is growing steadily with each release while Intel´s performance remains stagnant for well know reason... As for gaming, the most important performance factor for many here, me included, it still favors Intel but the margin is very thin, so thin i think it´s better to buy an AMD CPU and then buy a better GPU due to the price difference between Intel and AMD. Can´t wait for Hilbert´s review!

    Also why is the forum slowing turning into a giant flame war between fanboys suddenly???...
     
  2. rl66

    rl66 Ancient Guru

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    It's not "suddenly", it is like that at each CPU release (Blue Vs Red) and at each GPU release (Green Vs Red)...
    it turn like "which is stronger the Elephant or the Hippo?" "The hippo is really really strong" "Yes but the elephant is better, the elephant can grab stuff with nose"... etc etc
     
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  3. Alessio1989

    Alessio1989 Maha Guru

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    It's not dead at all, they still rules in the laptop market.
     
  4. Anonaru

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    Everybody talking about benchmark chasing and how tight the race is between a 3900x and a 9800k

    I'm over here in 2019 with an 8350 just excited that I'm finally getting an upgrade in a week or so, regardless of who's CPU I get :D

    Hey hey, I'm not a fanboy in either regard, but this is a very old article.. AMD's Z-score is above 6 now IIRC
     
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  5. Mesab67

    Mesab67 Member Guru

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    Oh dear, utter bulls#@t. The shill collective is growing strong here. The mods are going to be very busy in the next few days.
     
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    slyphnier Master Guru

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    this thread post, why many people become fanbois ? lol

    u guys know performance war is good for consumer
    either we getting more performance product or if they cant fight in performance, then they will forced to reduce their product pricing which either way is good thing for us, no ?

    even intel fanbois should be happy, i mean intel still have tons of cash in them which giving them edge in business, even now AMD winning, intel wont stay silent and let their competitor take the crown for long, wont they ?

    but again like stephen king said, "Life is like a wheel. Sooner or later, it always come around to where you started again." ... so yeah no-one stay on top forever
     
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    ZXRaziel Member Guru

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    I consider testing at very low resolutions like 720 or less as a valid tool to show raw performance of the CPU , but one must be aware that in real world the 1080 and higher is what matters little bit more . My problem with this type of " leaked test " is the obvious bias picking and showing only the tests where one manufacturer looks better than the other depending which side the particular fanboy supports . I am not coming to conclusions untill I see FULL test from independent tester and then base my decision on the whole picture not just cherry picked bits .
    Not long now .
     
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  8. BahamutxD

    BahamutxD Master Guru

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    I don't care if its blue or red tbh. All I know my 3-4 year old 6600k is dead for gaming right now and AMD is giving an excellent option tomorrow for around 400€ (mobo+cpu) If I can sell my current CPU/mobo its going to be one of the biggest upgrades I've done in a while for such a low price.
     
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  9. BReal85

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    :D
     
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  10. Ryu5uzaku

    Ryu5uzaku Ancient Guru

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    Somehow expecting it to reach the levels of performance of 5ghz cpus is interesting when max boost isn't that high on AMD. When game leverages all the cores AMD just wins. Also older games most likely will have optimizations on Intel that AMD won't have.
     
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  11. Alessio1989

    Alessio1989 Maha Guru

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    fps is not a CPU performance metric. frame time is.
     
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    I have to disagree with you here on this. One only needs to look at the FX CPU’s and their launch. At the time all we had was the GTX680 at the top spot so it performed about identical at 1080p compared to the 2600k. Now a days you can pair a 2070 with a FX and a 2600k and see a huge difference at 1080p.

    The test has its relevance however I do feel game developers WILL focus more on the Zen architecture now that the new consoles will be using them.
     
  13. Alessio1989

    Alessio1989 Maha Guru

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    Same data...

    But wrong way to show them ( sort by average frames per seconds, descending order):

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    Better way to show them (frame time, sort by maximum frame time, ascending order):

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    They don't look so dramatic, right?

    And still doesn't reflect real CPU values since nobody would play at 720p with those CPUs. Moreover we do not know anything about deep settings involving microcode updates and security fixes, nor if the so damn "acclaimed" OS scheduler fix for Ryzen 3000 is enabled or not (Windows 10 1903 is a necessary condition but is not enough). Yes all this is annoying but this is today hardware world, things like OS kernel patches, microcode updates and security fixes may change the results that little bit the graphs changes.

    EDIT: just to be clear, low resolution settings may involve different driver and game rendering path behaviours (it's pretty sane and logic to associate low-resolution with low performance hardware and do different optimisations in the code), which may add further reasons to not test at those resolutions. Games benchmarks are meant to (should?) represent real and common game performance, they are not synthetic benchmarks (even accurate synthetic benchmarks may fail to represent real CPU performance if they are unable to take advantage of a particular hardware architecture, like a new SIMD extension set or a high number of cores). And this is both for negative results and positive results (like AC:Origins).
     
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  14. Alex13

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    The forums here have been high on the toxicity side of things for a while. Cant even pinpoint where it all turned real bad, but at this point you can probably get more intelligent interaction on wccftech.
     
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    Lol, Frametime and FPS (FramesPerSecond) are closely correlated values.

    They mean basically same thing.

    In both cases getting temporal min FPS or max Frametime is completely useless statistic.

    What you want to measure is 1% lows, which define an average FPS drops on demo, benchmark you're using.

    Your min FPS or max Frametime can occur for any reason and should not be indicator of performance. A median from FPS drops or Frametime spikes would be best to have.
     

  16. Alessio1989

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    They are multiplicative inverse: 10 fps difference doesn't mean anything. 120 fps vs 130 fps is NOT the same damn thing about 40fps vs 50fps.
    I know frame time is not the best measurement method (I simply used the same data), but FPS is the worst.
     
  17. Only Intruder

    Only Intruder Maha Guru

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    Well, this thread certainly is full of, how can I say... passionate people but I think it's safe to say people are definitely excited about tomorrows launch.

    These leaked benches show one thing for certain - even while not being the best at absolute highs, these CPUs still offer some amazing performance at exceptional value but furthermore, these CPUs are going to be capable at so many more tasks. Multi-tasking heavy workloads is definitely going to be possible with these new processors.

    3700X looks to be a potential great buy so far :D
     
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    Ha, very good in lots of ways!

    My take on these leaked benchmarks: I'm happy they're at 720p, because it shows the difference for high fps gamers on high Hz monitors, and I also think that these new AMD CPUs have not performed particularly well, the 7700K is faster in a lot of titles, and there's only 1 title where AMD shine (Assassins Creed Origins) and I'm not sure how representative this will be going into the future, although we can say that these new AMD CPUs are more future proof than the 7700K, just I wanted them to at least equal or surpass the 7700K in current games. I don't think these new AMD CPUs are gonna be good choice for high fps / high refresh rate gamers - although that will depend on what the overclocked scores are gonna look like, I'd need to see that to create a final judgement.
     
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    Either way I can see very decent performance increase compared to the previous generation 10 to 20 % depending on software used its nothing to be ashamed for .
     
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    Curious... the R7 (not R9) 3700X (65W TDP) has a higher power comsumption than a R7 2700X (105W TDP).
     

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