AMD Ryzen 7 3700X & Ryzen 9 3900X review with benchmarks leaks out

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  1. Webhiker

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    2667 MHz memory is stocxk for 9900k and 3200 MHz is recommended default for Ryzen 3xxx (3733 MHz is sweet-spot for Ryzen though, to keep ram speed at 1:1 with infinity fabric speed - some say it can do 4000 MHz at 1:1)
    720p is to show synthetic speed of CPU so there is no GPU bottleneck. - even though Intel disclaim synthetic tests aka Cinebench.
     
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    There will be 1080p reviews in a few days. If i'm not mistaken, that's the most popular resolution. We'll find out soon enough :D
     
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    I'm not the one writing a novel and wasting my time defending a company that needs no defending. You are, my friend. Its okay if AMD is second place, life goes on.
     
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    Awww you did exactly what i expected from you. Thank you for proving my point, its much appreciated.
     
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    You were not here for 4.5 billion years.
    You will live for maybe 80 years.
    Then you will never exist again.
    Yet you are willing to spend time arguing over something so irrelevant.
     
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    I find it pretty ironic that we have to keep lowering the graphics bar to “expose” Ryzen 3000 as infinitely “inferior” yet the results on a non standard test resolution are closer than any chip since The good ol A64 days. There’s probably other issues going on like the lack of good chipset drivers and who knows what else if that review is to be taken seriously.
     
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    I was going to say how on Earth is the 8700K and the 8086K ahead of the 9700K in Handbrake, until I realized that the 9700K lacks HT! The 3900x just decimates the competition though, making the top Intel and Threadripper CPUs practically obsolete!

    The gaming benchmarks seem to be what I would have predicted. I would have expected Intel to maintain their lead in certain games that are more memory latency intensive and have less parallelism ie Far Cry 5, while Zen 2 would be faster in games that are more parallel and cache sensitive like AC Origins.

    Actually, you can put that one down for a milestone for AMD. This is the first time that AMD has EVER beaten Intel in an Assassin's Creed game benchmark. The most recent AC games like AC Origins and AC Odyssey are all very CPU intensive, and Intel has always had a significant lead over AMD in those titles.
     
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    There isn't and can't be a perfect benchmark. Gaming results will change with each game, and even with updates to the game. And with the GPU, and its driver, and the resolution etc. etc. Arguing about those benches is as pointless as it is endless.

    Much more stable indicators of raw performance are the Cinebench 1T and multi-T scores, although those are still affected by memory speed, cooling, etc. They also change with Cinebench instruction mix and weighting, but that's an evolutionary process.

    In those "best available" metrics, the Ryzen 3700 & 3900 are now within ~2% of the 9900K and better than the 9980XE. Hugely better in thread scaling, for some reason. And a significantly better value in every other way (power, compatibility etc).

    That's reality. Every day more apps including games will reflect it. If you want the best hardware, buy Ryzen. If you care only about the absolute highest 1080p FPS in Final Fantasy today, go ahead and reward Intel for what they've done to you for 10 years. If you have the extra cash for that, of course
     
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    Ready to buy a juicy 3900X! Can't wait for the reviews and by that I mean Digital Foundry review anything else is trash
     
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    On the whole, these early results look decent to me and I'm sure the numbers will improve in the coming weeks and months as firmware updates come through. Hopefully the price-points mean that people find them worth investing in.

    I've spent much of my life throwing heaps into the latest and greatest hardware, dating back to the old 3dfx Voodoo 1, Dual 12MB Voodoo 2's (which cost me £500 back then) - and beyond, then the Matrox G400 series graphics cards (with bump mapping technology), and many processor and video card upgrades since then. These days I'm running a ThreadRipper 2950X (which still costs almost twice the 9900K) on an Asus ROG Zenith Extreme motherboard with 64GB Ram, an RTX 2080OC and $1000AU of hard-line liquid cooling kit. I don't need all that, and the damn thing isn't even overclocked - but I had fun building it.

    After 40 years of gaming, those extra frames or IPC just don't matter to me any more despite planning for the 2950X successor when it comes out - and even then I don't particularly care how it performs relative to the competition. Games currently look great on my ROG Swift PG348Q monitor at 3440x1440 and, for the most part, wringing out and more performance isn't really going to change my experience that much - outside of bragging rights.

    The protracted point here is that for most people, the 10% extra FPS you might get from the 9900K aren't going to make you any better a game player, and probably not radically alter your experience so buy what you like / can afford.
     

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    But.....thats not how it works.

    People must first pledge allegiance to a particular brand, and then start mud flinging on anyone who says a single thing against that brand, even if it's fact.

    Please take your "fun" elsewhere, this is the internet, no place for fun.

    Just look at this thread, half of it is just arguing over a few percentage difference, I mean, in case you didn't know, people sit and count frames and benchmark points and then go ape sh!t and then the poo flinging commences

    /Joke!
     
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    @beedoo your post gave me confirmation that people who reason and apply logic exists, but can have fun with their hobby.
    buy what you like / can afford
    The simplest way of buying hardware.
     
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    Yeah, that's why it beats Intel in AC. :D Troll.

    Have you realized that AMD CPUs are being sold about 2/3-1/3 or more compared to Intel? It's a shame how pathetic some blue-eyed guys are. Don't you realize that you are considered a clown here?
     
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    Good job finding comparison to 1st generation Zen (1700X). Now, try to finally get to topic at hand... Zen2 !!!
    = = = =
    To topic. I am constantly checking my board's details for final or at least good BIOS update.
    ASRock X470 Taichi it is. And while they removed newest BIOS and left only 3.40 there, their CPU support list 3600X/3700X/3800X. But there is no 3900X/3950X in there.
    That's rather unpleasant. I hope that CPUs have record in given BIOSes, because there is no power delivery issue with given board that would prevent those chips from working.
    I had no problem to pull 220W with 2700X in OC tests w/o temperature being high on VRMs or any other hint of issues.

    Then those missing chips have 105W TDP anyway, upon unlocking, they'll eat maybe same 140W max as 2700X since that's controlled by BIOS limits or overridden by RM.
     
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    You're right but on the other hand what do you expect when even authors here shows the same fanboism with some "jokes"...of course that everybody jumps in one boat or another and write their "jokes" following his example: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/i...prices-by-15-to-fight-off-amd-ryzen-3000.html

    Something like this:
    seems like the work of some participant here and not an independent reviewer...
     
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    Another controlled leak just before release, how convenient.
    This is as unintentional as Intel's internal memo leak. :D

    This whole embargo on reviews to release date is just retarded.
    I mean, some wait time is ok to give every review site a fair amount of time to prepare their article,
    but waiting three to six weeks if procreating retarded.


    Anyway, I will wait for reviews from respected blogs, not some random website from the net.
     
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    Low resolution is used to show how effective IPC and new architecture are in games.
    At higher resolution you are bounded by GPU and it is harder to measure the difference.

    Skylike i7 6xxx is not even on the gaming charts. :D
     
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    Hmmm. Indeed, and now, exactly as I expected from you. We don't need to look look back too far to see a glaring and destructive pattern with you replies. It's quite revealing. Behaviour like this tends to belong to a rather low age group - shall we say, kindergarten, and has no place in a reputable site like this. Oh yes, of course the jury's still out regarding shill work. Now for some woodwork treatment, shill's don't work alone ;)
     
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