Totally agree with you. If you're on a budget, forget about R7 or an I7. But then you have a hard decision again between an R5 with SMT and an i5 without HT. I mean, people go for expensive i7 instead of i5 for HT having no real benefit (because games are 4 or less cores optimized) and...ah forget it. The ones calling themselves hardcore gamers will always buy new parts every 2 years or less, so they just want "the best" at the moment and throw all the money at said company. I can't afford that but even if I would, wouldn't do it. Ya, right...at 1080p R7 1700 is: 6 fps slower on Hitman with 105 fps 32 fps slower on TR2016 with 100 fps 28 fps slower on FCPrimal with 80 fps 23 fps slower on TDivision with 96 fps Source: Guru3D (on old BIOS and DDR4 at 2667 CL16) My monitor is Freesync ready at 75hz max (but I bet as 1080p is the most popular resolution, 60hz is the most popular refresh rate), so all acceptable values knowing those games don't fully utilize the CPU power because of the game code not being optimized. An youtuber named Jayztwocents did a live stream with the new Tom Clancy, streaming from the same Ryzen machine he was gaming on, butter smooth and all the cores at 80% or something. Try that on a 7700K. "Oh no, a i7 7700k is more powerful than R7 1700..."