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AMD Ryzen 3000 Matisse Spotted - 12 Cores 24 Threads

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Jan 24, 2019.

  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    It has been a busy week for Tum Apisak hunting down the hidden gems in databases. This round he found an interesting AMD engineering sample processor, while he is not speculating, that database entry ...

    AMD Ryzen 3000 Matisse Spotted - 12 Cores 24 Threads
     
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  2. LM2014

    LM2014 Member Guru

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    Thanks for the news :)
    But I waiting for ZEN3 and DDR5 :D:D
     
  3. Silva

    Silva Master Guru

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    You'll be waiting a long time...
     
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  4. Fox2232

    Fox2232 Ancient Guru

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    What kind of improvement you expect from DDR5 to wait around 1.5~2 years for it?
     
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  5. Kaleid

    Kaleid Ancient Guru

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    Yeah, moving up one memory generation does rarely in itself much at all.
    I just moved to DDR4.

    I hope for an 8 core Ryzen at 4.8Ghz as rumored.
    It will be a lot faster than anything put in the new consoles.
     
  6. LM2014

    LM2014 Member Guru

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    Folks because I love my i7 3770 and serves me well.
    For now I don´t need more then 4 cores.
    I waiting for more 1 year or 2.
    Probably next 2 years DDR5 is out.
     
  7. DARKSF

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    Looks good , this means the 8C/16T will be the medicore now.
    About DDR5 i believe it won't have any detectable impact.
    Since RAM crossed the 25GB/sec mark there is barely detectable difference.This huge transffer rates are more important for really memory intensive not only applications but also hardware.
    Lower latency memory now is much more important since accessing the information you need now takes much more time than transffering it.

    __________Transfer__Rate_____Cycle___CAS_FirstWord___Fourth_____Eight
    PC133_____7.500ns__133 MHz__7.500 ns__3___22.50ns___45.00ns___75.00ns
    DDR - 400__2.500ns__200 MHz__5.000 ns__2___10.00ns___17.50ns___27.50ns
    DDR3-1600 0.625ns__800 MHz__1.250 ns__8___10.00ns___11.88ns___14.38ns
    DDR4-3600 0.278ns_1800MHz__0.556 ns__18__10.00ns___10.83ns___11.94ns
    DDR3-2133 0.469ns _1066MHz__0.938 ns__7___6.56ns_____7.97ns____9.84ns
     
  8. cryohellinc

    cryohellinc Ancient Guru

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    pff, thats so old. Wait for ZEN4, with DDR6, now that will be an improvement.
     
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  9. schmidtbag

    schmidtbag Ancient Guru

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    I'm surprised this appears to be real. AMD is sorta cannibalizing their own previous-gen product lineup, even regarding Threadrippers. But, I guess they're trying to kick Intel while they're down. Being on AM4 will make this much more affordable too.

    Even if Zen 2 still doesn't beat Intel in single-threaded IPC, they sure are setting the bar really high for overall performance.
     
  10. D3M1G0D

    D3M1G0D Ancient Guru

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    I think it makes sense. Threadripper goes up to 32 cores now and they'll probably release a Zen 2 model with chiplets (as a first-gen TR customer, I'd certainly be interested in a 32-core Zen 2 TR). It'll now be Ryzen up to 16 cores, Threadripper up to 32 cores and EPYC up to 64 cores (or more).
     
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  11. tsunami231

    tsunami231 Ancient Guru

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    I telling you unless Intel pulls there head out there asses and stops with crazy prices when Amd offering similar MTP for much less Intel my next PC will be Ryzen STP is no longer important to me the cores are besides Ryzen STP is now 2k + which really all i cared about, and why I got the 6700k over the 5820k

    I dont fancy the TDP these multi core cpu are using (intel and amd) but It was bound to happen at some point
     
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  12. anticupidon

    anticupidon Ancient Guru

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    Mattise sounds good. Very good.
    Saving money as we speak, the waiting game is set.
     
  13. schmidtbag

    schmidtbag Ancient Guru

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    Yeah, but the 32-core TRs are a very niche product due to the memory and scheduler issues. The 16 core TRs are still the more sensible product for a wider audience.
    But like I said, it's more of an issue compared to previous generation stuff. If I owned either a 1st or 2nd gen TR with 12-16 cores, I think I'd be a little bothered that there will be AM4 CPUs that will most likely be much cheaper while potentially having better performance (when you account for the smaller transistors and probably higher clock speeds). Of course, TR builds will still be better in terms of stuff like PCIe lanes and memory bandwidth, but I wouldn't be surprised if most of these systems only use 1 GPU and 1 M.2 drive.

    Of course, the natural evolution of things suggest that these parts will inevitably be obsoleted, I guess what I'm saying is AMD is forcing obsolescence a little bit too fast IMO.
     
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    chispy Ancient Guru

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    Nice find Hilbert. Every day that goes by we get closer to the new Zen2 , definitely i'm in for a 16 core 32 thread Ryzen 2.
    Bring it on AMD !
     
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    When the AMD Ryzen 3XXX series reach the market... who will buy Intel processors?!?! Only people that do know nothing of hardware.... this 3XXX series will smash Intel in a way that they never imagined....
     

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    Forcing obsolescence is something else. Is making so that the product is obsolete. ( phones with crippling updates for example ) In this case is you that feel obsolete because more new stuff is old. As you see is matter of opinions. My old i7 990x is not obsolete at all, and i bought an amd 2700x to have a new build + fun.
     
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    well right now the 9900k is alot better in gaming than 2700x, even with the 30% more performance, the Ice Lake 10nm line up will be faster again for gaming. So not everybody will jump to AMD, but they get very attractive.
     
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    schmidtbag Ancient Guru

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    The 9900K is also very expensive, hard to find, and generally a pretty stupid CPU to get if gaming is your top priority. An 8700K is a much smarter choice, and even then, an 8600K or 9600K is more than enough for the vast majority of gamers out there (but, so is a 2700X).
     
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    Indeed, I have a TR4 and I'm really excited that 16c is likely to come to the mainstream, even rendering my 1950X redundant in everything outside of PCI-E lanes. Good thing is I can grab a 3950X when it drops and move the 1950X on if I desperately need to. Though in reality it'll do the job quite nicely for another year doing the stuff I need from it.

    My next build is going to be a 3xxx Ryzen though as I need a build for iRacing with high IPC and high frequency. Will be interesting to compare with something like a 9700K/8086K for IPC and in sim performance. However it's an edge case scenario and not the mainstream. I'll also be intrigued to see what happens in the mainstream gaming sphere. It'll certainly open up streaming PC's massively without bottlenecking in games with 12 or 16 cores available for reasonable pricing, it'll also allow for better recording for those doing so.

    Why would people be annoyed getting 2yrs of good performance out of their PC's before the upgrades that are noticeable come through? It was this way before the stagnation of Intel since Sandy Bridge. It's back again and people used to a decade of boredom are suddenly frustrated by the pace of change. I for one am happy it's back ;)
     
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