AMD reponds to Ryzen 5000 desktop processor shortages

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  1. Fox2232

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    Then 5700 non-XT was paper launch as you can still get 5700 XT, not non-XT is no longer available while AMD did not officially announce EOL.

    Did you know that all Tesla cars on streets are still paper launch by your logic?

    I can tell you, there is one company that would love you to be true. And that's intel. Because they are bleeding money left and right as their clients are queuing for AMD.

    And again. I could have got all of them on launch day. Day later and so on. You want to pick one out of 4 released chip as example (5900X), because it is currently only chip that's unavailable.
    But you are not thinking. 5600X is available. It is AMD's choice to balance how many 6C/12T chiplets go to 5900X and how many go into 5600X.
    AMD is not oracle to know future. And neither is you. Actually, you are as far from someone who has any sort of foresight as anyone can be.
    AMD did not expect that people will go for 5900X that much. And as they now have better knowledge on demand for each part, it is easy for them to fix it.
    They are making more money per 5900X than they make per two 5600X anyway.

    It is just question of shifting production, and logistics. And all your crying about Physical world not being internet fast is pointless. It takes time to deliver product form one continent to another.
     
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    Language is a living thing, many wordings change their meaning over time.

    Ofc its not a literal "paper launch" but if only (random number) 20% of the people that wants to buy an item on launch day is able to get it, we are pretty close to the original meaning of the wording so we can use it.
     
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    I can confirm that local distributors here in South Africa have 5600x & 5800x Ryzen in stock at $50 above MSRP. 5900x sold out quickly and awaiting new stock. No 5950x stock received yet.
     
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    Covid paying ever more dividends to tech addictions, as well as isolation pushing more people into gaming on all formats and increased data centre construction (with AMD parts included) to further increase demand.
    Unless TSMC makes a bunch of new fabs, and depends on specialist gear from ASML, this is likely the longer term picture for a while.
     

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    You had the chance to buy them at launch day, that does not place the rest of the world in your same situation. I had a preordered 5900 and the store got 2 of them, by the time they told me that and i looked elsewhere, they were none, so here i am waiting for more to arrive.

    Ofc is AMD choice to plan for their products, but you can expect a huge demand for a product if you announce it as the best for gaming and, at the same time, the pricing is the best compared to the rest (see 5800 or 5950).

    You keep hanging on the literal meaning of "paper launch", thats not what i am (we are) using here.
     
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    It's not really AMD's failure. They simply can't get enough silicon from TSMC because there's not enough capacity available. They can't push the release day infinitely into the future just to ensure every jane and joe will get their CPU the first day (which they wouldn't anyway since stores also need to try to guess how much they need). Stuff sitting in warehouses for extended periods of time is bad for business. Intel's next gen is also coming out in the near future. This is just the current reality when there's not enough competition in the top end silicon chip manufacturing business.

    You know, even bloody ice cream can become unavailable when a manufacturer releases a new product in the middle of scorching summer days.
     
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    You are living in world that has finite resources. And that applies to production capacity too.
    Want to blame someone, blame your incompetent local shop. Or better, check mirror, there's guy who did not learn that his local shop sux. And did not learn that logistics does not end at shop's door. You can order things from places far away and they'll be delivered. Yes, you do not have to walk into brick and mortar store to pick ordered goods.
    Except you have no idea if 10% or 90% of people got their products. Happy clients keep their mouth shut for most part. Unsatisfied ones are always vocal.
    Like a newborn babies, wanting attention.

    So, your 20% statement could have been "pretty close to original meaning" if only it was not based on completely wrong premise and was not false by argument logic.
    "Goiur, you are pretty close to having right argument. But being pretty close to being right still means, that you are wrong."
     
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    Told you the first day to give me a link on a EU store to buy a 5900, still waiting. So i can blame you to.

    You are right, i have no idea about numbers that why i used it as an example.

    And again, its about perception. What i post its not an universal thruth, it comes from my experience and so for me, it was a paper launch. Lucky you if you managed to get one.
     
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    just ordered a 5600x for roughly 320€. Availability in Romania seems fair and changes from day to day, depending on e-tailer.
     
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    Should have gone with better store . There were shops that got hundreds
     

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    Maybe, but i still like to chose where i buy.

    If some stores got "hundreds" and this one could only get 2, something went terribly wrong beside the size of the store.
     
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    its normal , i know small shop near place where i live , they got 5 CPUs ,where BIG e-tailer got over 1 thousand ( they still have in stock). If you normaly sell few hundrets of cpus per year dont expect you will get thousand in launch date .

    Of course not everyone got their piece but ALOT was sold, alot of regular people got it , while RTX launch was disaster . It can not be compared.
     
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    I managed to grab a 5950X straight from AMDs own webshop on Thursday, with the bonus of being practically MSRP while other shops already increased prices, and I wasnt even particularly speedy, although shortly after I got my order in it showed as out of stock (it did ship, so no waiting time).
    On Sunday, days after the launch, I also ordered two 5800X from a retailer together with two friends that want to rebuild - those also shipped yesterday.

    There was definitely stock available and possible to get for normal people.
     
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    AMD didn't replace Ryzen 3000 with these for a reason. The process node is the same, so they probably allocated some Ryzen 5000 in place of 3000, but not too much.
    And you guys wonder why AMD Ryzen the prices, it's all gone! They could have matched Intel price/performance with even higher prices and people would buy them all.
    5800X is at such a bad price point some reviewers recommend either getting the 5900X or just getting the cheaper Intel alternative (for gaming). Yes, intel is cheaper at 5800X level. Crazy to say this, I know.
     
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    in switzerland the biggest pc hardware retailer is pretty clear about availability Currently out of stock and no delivery date available.
    which comes to no surprise to anyone seeing last 3xxx gen we had to wait 3-4 months after release before they really had any stock
    the fact they don't even list a price tough that's new and bad
     

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    Intel is current budget option for gaming , i spoke withone small shop here in poland and they told me still most budged PCs now are build with INTEL , as AMD can't compete price performace ,this is reality in Poland.

    i5 10400f is just about 170eur . Ryzen 3600 (210eur) isnt big match for gaming and it is more expensive

    10400f will beat 3600 at almost any game any scenario , not OC no nothing . For average joe , that want to save some money , Intel is way to go now , things reversed. ( it is exactly opposite how it was just 2 years ago).
     
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    Right tool for the right job.

    "I rarely go shopping under rock. But when I go, it is for worms as I go fishing."

    @kapu : Average dude saving money does not buy 144Hz+ Hz screen, and targets 75fps due to 75Hz screens at most. (And GPU prices.) And for that any currently available intel/AMD's chips with 6C/12T will do just fine.

    One can say that intel's locked CPU can deliver higher fps, but that's when paired with higher than 2666MHz memories, and intel did lock that out for lower tier MBs.
    Considering that memory prices went down a lot for up to 3200MHz+, AMD has got slight boost there. And intel misses on opportunity by their pay-wall business strategy.

    I expect their next platform to be more unlocked, as they can't OC much anyway anymore.
    When taking CPU cost alone, intel wins on few places. When taking cost of entire system, I think that they are about equal.

    But question is: "Why did intel lower itself to provide more for less money when they would ask you arm and leg for exactly same product in recent years?"
     
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    A paper launch is a launch on paper only. hence the term.

    You are correct that words change over time but the words paper and launch are still used in the same way as in the last 20 years.

    It's just the wrong terminology being used for people who are too lazy or ignorant and end up just parroting an expression incorrectly.
     
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    It was the right tool as it was a pc hardware store. Shrug.

    Next time let me know where i should buy, provide a link to the store please so i have a good store to go to.

    You are on the internet,don't expect best use of language. Not everyone is an english native, hell, english is not even the second language in many cases.

    ill be glad to learn the correct term.
     
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    Can't argue with you: if I had to buy a new computer today on a tight budget, I'd get the 10400f instead of 3600. Prices here are similar: 10400F is 160€ wile 3600 is 215€. To make matters worse, AMD didn't lower prices with the 5000 series.
    I won't be upgrading if the AMD prices don't come down, they can keep them.
     

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