AMD Radeon VII 3DMark results Surface

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  1. Fox2232

    Fox2232 Ancient Guru

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    I'll do it again. And again if needed later:
    8GB VRAM utilization does not mean that card with less will be negatively affected.
    You can go around and pick Benchmarks of 4GB and 8GB versions of RX-580 and see if 4GB is choked. Because moment, VRAM is really not sufficient, even 200MB will have very measurable negative effect.

    8GB is more than fine. And will remain in that state for next few years. By then, people will get stronger cards anyway.
     
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    Fixed that for you, since that's what's it's all about.
     
  3. Undying

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    AMD owns a console market so its all good, right? Lets all buy consoles and we drop this nonsense PC.
     
  4. TieSKey

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    And that, sir, is the very definition of greed. You can only be greedy when u have the option to charge less but actively choose the higher prices when nobody forces u.

    By the same logic, amd prices don't make them "consumer friendly" or "not greedy" because they pricing is forced by the competition or the need to penetrate/increase market share and not out of their own volition.
     
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  5. metagamer

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    You make no sense. It's called business.
     
  6. Aura89

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    Yes, less, because unless you can find a situation, gaming wise, where 16GB of HBM ram will actually be useful and is not just an expensive eyesore on the Radeon VII, then that's not more.

    That being said, you clearly did not read my last sentence that stated if you have a PROGRAM (not a game, for the above obvious reasons) that can utilize it, then great! But we're not talking about programs here, we're talking about gaming.

    Having something on a graphics card, for gaming, that you can't use, for gaming, is not "more".

    Again, let me repeat: 16GB of HBM memory on the Radeon VII is not more, it's less, due to the fact that if it had 8GB or 12GB, it would have been able to be cheaper and actually be a card to look forward to, but because it has 16GB of HBM memory, it can't be cheaper, it has to be expensive, and that is a negative on it, not a positive.
     
  7. TieSKey

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    Depends on your definition of "business". If by it u mean taking every opportunity to rip off your customers abusing a (pseudo)monopoly and huge economical/political/legal power, then yes, it's business and is greed in it's purest form :)

    My definition is more like the old Ford concept, "we maintain reasonably low prices so we sell a lot and we pay our employees good enough so they can buy from us".
     
  8. HWgeek

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    I found some Radeon7 3dmark Scores!
    FIRE STRIKE ULTRA 1.1
    FIRE STRIKE EXTREME 1.0
    FIRE STRIKE 1.1
    https://i.**********/xTcDWvdB/Radeon7-3dmark-Scores.jpg
     
  9. metagamer

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    I'll throw something at you. If you were the leading manufacturer at Ford and your cars were expensive and still sell out, would you charge low prices? No you wouldn't. You might say the RTX cards are a rip off, but a lot of them are sold out.

    Nvidia are making a killing and have been for a long time. Because they make gpus that people want to buy. And have no competition.

    And let's not forget that AMD are releasing a VEGA VII at the same price as the RTX 2080 (ok, $50 less, but that hardly is a deciding factor at around $700), a card that performs pretty much the same as the 2080, offering no new tech and this is months after the 2080 release.

    These days, you can buy a perfectly good 2080 for $699, which is the launch price of VEGA VII.

    This just reminds me of the release of FuryX, a card that came out months after the 980ti, performed worse and cost more.

    So tell me, how is Nvidia ripping people off?

    Sure, the 2080ti is EXPENSIVE, but people are buying it so it makes perfect sense for Nvidia to charge that much, seeing as AMD are pricing their latest gpu no better than Nvidia.

    And trust me, I would have loved to pay less for my 2080 but until AMD actually compete, prices will only remain as they are, if not go further up.
     
  10. Aura89

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    MSRP of the Radeon VII and 2080 are the same.
     

  11. A M D BugBear

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    8k test please. yum yum
     
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    What size screen do you hope to enjoy your 8k on?
     
  13. metagamer

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    From what I've seen the VEGA VII MSRP is $699 and the 2080FE is $749. Negligible.
     
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    No one said anything about FE....but ok.

    Still not correct though.

    Radeon VII = $699
    2080 = $699
    2080 fe = $799

    And yes, unlike the 2080 ti, you can get the 2080 for MSRP
    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814932086

    Not trying to make things difficult here, but facts are facts and should be conveyed correctly or corrected.
     
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  15. metagamer

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    My bad, I was looking at UK prices where the RRP is £749 for the 2080FE. Damn, so they do cost the same. Why do people moan about Nvidia pricing then, when VEGA VII is just much of a "rip off" is beyond me.
     

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    Of course many would object to the pricing, but I believe the cost of manufacture of these cards vs the price is way higher than anything else that came before them. Especially the R VII with the very expensive HMB2.
     
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    I think this point gets overlooked a lot in the general pricing outrage for this generation.

    I don't think anyone is trying to give AMD a pass on the $700 Radeon 7 as such, it's more likely that a large 7nm chip with 16GB of HBM2 makes it impossible to price any lower.

    Ie. if Nvidia hadn't established the RTX 2080 at a $700-800 price point, as opposed to a more reasonable ~$500, we probably wouldn't have the Radeon 7 at all. That might not be a huge loss overall, even at $500 we're talking very niche markets after all, but it's worth keeping in mind.

    AMD probably would have liked to be more competitive on pricing, I just doubt they could have been.
     
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  18. metagamer

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    AMD are using HBM2 because for them to go with the cheaper GDDR6 would in the long run cost a lot of money. And the fact that they use HBM2 means the cards will sell to the non gaming market.
     
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    For someone like me still on an gtx 980 classified this looks interesting. I also have a 144hz freesync monitor, so I have been thinking my next gpu will probably be AMD. On the flip side honestly there is not really anything software wise that has yet made me feel like I need to upgrade yet.
     
  20. Aura89

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    Don't, you'll just be paying for the performance you could have had 1.5 years ago for the same price as 1.5 years ago, but now, without raytracing or any new technology. If you've waited this long, there's no point upgrading right now unless you want raytracing, otherwise, wait for navi or whatever nvidia has next.
     

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