AMD Radeon RX rumor: 12nm Polaris 30 in the 4th quarter

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    It would be rather interesting if it will be at last more efficient perf/w and worthy perf/$ from its preview generation models.

    I mean look at vega. It failed. Newer generation never meant to be more power hungry and more expensive AT THE SAME TIME than previous one. Vega would be a success if it would be more eco friendly than fury, this was never supposed to happen.

    Let's see if AMD learned something from the last year's fiasco.
     
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    AMD needs volume for these GPUs. Lots of them and at good prices. Bread and butter GPUs.
     
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    They sold everything they could produce.
    That is not failure. Its not a big win, its middling, but certainly not a failure.

    On topic, Its going to be a very fun Autumn-Winter this year :) This nm shift will give the same clocks, but lower power, or higher clocks, at the same power. Going from the past, it would be higher clocks at the same power.

    So AMD doing a re-spin of Polaris on 12nm (with GDDR6?), and Nvidia could be putting Turing (Probably = Volta - (Tensor+FP64)) with GDDR6 out to dry.
    No new tech until Xmas/New year at least....
     
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    "Volume"?

    Like in "Sells volume"?

    Good luck with that.

    Mining craze is over (for now (?)) so AMD "gaming" GPUs must compete with Nvidia gaming GPUs in performance and performance per dollar in a strange market: PC gaming GPUs used for GAMING.

    The same market they failed to compete since 4-5 years...
     
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    I would only buy an used GPU for less than half the price (not what they are asking for), so I'd gladly buy the RX670 over any GPU on the used marked that was used for mining.
    I wonder if they'll get GDDR6 too. Although more expensive, it uses less power and has more density I think so less chips or bigger memory. Or a smaller bus and same speed as GDDR5 equivalent because of higher clocks.
     
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    They could begin with releasing a new driver, free from stutter in major DX11 games and fully functional OSD, but perhaps that's asking too much.
     
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    I will only see this as good news if this is 15% improvement is specifically above the 580 (the mentioning of the 570 is a little off-putting), and, if this is sold as the 670 or lower. If this is going to be the 680, that's looking kind of bleak.

    I don't get any stuttering. No comment on the OSD though - I never use it (but, maybe that's what your problem is?).
    Too bad the open source Linux drivers don't support DX, because they're overall better than the Windows drivers. To my knowledge, they can be ported to Windows.
     
  9. Celcius

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    Carping about the energy efficiency of any GCN-based video card in mid-2018 is very much like flogging the proverbial dead horse. GCN has never been about energy effiency, and likely never will be. We're seven years into this architecture; it's not likely to suddenly go Prius on us. I accepted this reality quite some time ago, and, obviously only speaking for myself, am quite comfortable with my (sometimes) 200W Radeon. The neighbor down the road is probably using more than ten times that much on his dinky mining setup, 24/7, and I'm supposed to agonize over my few hours of gaming per week? No...

    I've been unpacking and installing the Windows 7 Adrenaline drivers for my Windows 8.1 rig without a single issue, and haven't been plagued with any performance problems. There is always room for improvement, of course, but I can't say I've much of anything to complain about, aside from RTG dropping Windows 8.1 support like a hot, radioactive potato. But, I've gotten over that, too.

    Discussing the pricing of ANY video card while in the shadow of crypto-currency mining and VRAM pricing issues is, at best, nebulous. I'd like to see the launch-date MSRP return on every AMD and Nvidia card, for sure. Not holding my breath waiting for that to happen.

    If AMD decides to take a third bite of the Polaris apple, I feel the only thing they need to accomplish is to give the buyer the level of performance that he or she requires, at a price they are comfortable paying. Done. The specifics of whatever contrivance is pushing the pixels around on my screen isn't something I obsess over while immersed in work, or while gaming.
     
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    Since I have a Polaris card, I always wondered about the architecture if it had similar clock frequencies as Nvidia Pascal +- 2000Mhz and then AMD add some HBM2 memory into the equation. I would love too see that combo.
     

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    Price, that's only thing that matters. Polaris was not expensive to make (w/ 5.7B transistors). And pricing was good before mining. If this can be those 15% faster, then it will be mostly between Fury and Fury X in performance. Sometimes above, sometimes below this range.
    That's very good performance. RX 580 is good GPU, but it misses that tiny bit of performance to max out game like Witcher 3 on 1080p and keep 60fps+ at most of the times.
    So, I think this refresh (if real) will be just OK for AAA titles and people who do not want to spend fortune on gaming PC.

    But I do question background... that untold story. If this comes out, it means AMD took officially step back from Vega. That would be final confirmation about Raja's "leaving".
     
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    Well my Rx480 is chocked by memory bandwidth , using better timings gives me e better performance boost then going from 1303 to 1420 on the core , so if they manage to bring a 1600mhz polaris +gddr6 it should beat a gtx1070 if you ask me :/
     
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    Why would they shrink Polaris to 12 Nm when Vega 20 on 7Nm is in full production (as we speak), launch Q4 2018 Q1 2019....

    I say there will be no Polaris 30 cards
     
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    Sorry, what's your problem? Nvidia is releasing worse and worse drivers maybe since last summer. They should get something done with those since they are the leading gamer GPU brand.
     
  15. Fox2232

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    You may be quite right, this may never come. But main reason for going Polaris again would be number of SP/TMU/ROPs per 1B of transistors.
    If you take parts of GPU which are there out of picture (display controller, cache, ... let's presume 0.5B transistors), then Polaris delivers good 30% more SP/TMU/ROPs per transistor. That's huge.
    Secondly, Clock to Clock comparison of Vega vs. Fiji did not end up well for Vega. While much smaller Polaris touched Fiji at times and should not been able to do so without some good improvements in architecture.

    Polaris with 2304SP/144TMU/32ROPs, multiplied by 1.35 for clock advantage over Fiji => 3110SP/194.4/43.2. That's nowhere near Fiji's 4096/256/64. With this in mind, I expect that some important improvement in Polaris did not carry to Vega.
    Polaris is simply much cheaper and seems to have some advantages.
     
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    Polaris 30 aka rx 680 have a reason to exist only if it will be absolutely equal to gtx 1070 or always better than 980ti/furyX. It should be just the gpu below 1070ti/vega56. Anything else is for the trashcan.
     
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    For now, we do not know targeted performance. RX 580 has 20% less transistors than GTX 1070, that should count for something... price. If this Polaris 30 is GPU of exact size and just brings higher clock, it can prove to be cheap.

    Now I say something funny:
    AMD should bring GPU prices down to real world. Because it does not look like nVidia will. (Similar situation to intel with CPUs.) And this GPU can potentially do it.
    Secondly, I do not think it is here to break ground. I expect it would be bread and butter GPU, placed in price range where most of gamers shop. I just hope it will outperform similarly priced GPUs a bit. (That's if this is to be taken for real.)
     
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    AMD prices are not really that bad. In my country 580 rx averages about 150-200 euro less than gtx 1070. Only Vega has a really problematic pricing to my eyes. I really hope rx 680 can be kept under 400€. That's all. And this is the normal level of price for mid range.
     
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    The only thing that usually cripples AMD's sales is limited availability. There's people definately waiting for the next RX cards, but they have to be available in apropriate quantities and for a good price.
     
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    Similar pricing here. But that price normalization did happen just last week. +those prices are at level of Launch price of RX 580. So they should be even lower by now. I think that if this GPU has same number of SP/TMU/ROPs as RX580, it should come at same price. Otherwise it is not disruptive. 350 Euro with Tax is price I think would be best.
    I may be one of them. As I RMAed MB, I did put Fury X back to i5 system. And since cousin gave his PC to little sister, he wanted mine :D
    So, as I get RMA solved, I will be GPU-less.
     
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