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AMD publishes Radeon VII benchmark results from 26 games

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Jan 11, 2019.

  1. moo100times

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    I used overclockers.co.uk as point of reference, where only 2070 cards available are B-grade stock or a zotac mini. Rest of available cards are 550GBP +. The cheapest 2080 they have is 700GBP and most other models are above or way above. Comparable to your comment between MSRP and actual retail price.

    Announced price of Vega is 700USD. After exchange rates cheaper than both my aforementioned.
    Vega at 450gbp at approx 1.3 exchange is about 600usd, so I cannot see where the 50% more price comment comes from either.
    I wouldn't consider a card costing the price of a decent rig as something that is really raising the bar for reasonable gaming or card performance. If nvidia's gpu tech works on 7nm well and equals a significant performance increase then good for them, we will have a competition on our hands, though again a big assumption considering their newest releases. Why would nvidia rush to bring 2xxx series to market when they are dominating with 1xxx series, especially when they could have done this gen on smaller manufacturing node and facing trying to clear massive backlog of chips?
     
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  2. Darren Hodgson

    Darren Hodgson Ancient Guru

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    16 GB of expensive VRAM is stupid on this card. 12 GB or 8 GB would have made it a much stronger competitor to NVIDIA’s RTX 2080 as it could be sold for much less, which in turn would make the lack of extra features such as ray-tracing and DLSS less of an issue. I wonder if Jensen would have called that card’s performance lousy? ;)
     
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  3. HARDRESET

    HARDRESET Master Guru

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    USA EVGA RTX 2080 , $699 is the cheapest.
    Also i got a great deal on a new 1080Ti Gigabyte gaming oc , back in September 2018, for $629.00 !
     
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    There'd be no point to it, they would still be buying the full 16GB hbm chip as its a single 4096bit module.
     
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    Looked like it was doing a good job running at 4k to me...;) I'd bet that 99.9% of everyone who uses a 4k monitor daily could care less whether he can support a 144Hz refresh--I know that was not on the bullet list when I bought mine. Sort of pleased by just how much visible difference there is between 2560x1440 @ 27" and 3840x2160 @ 32"--the wife got the QHD--4k is the only place I want to be. If I can play the game smoothly and without stutter, it's fine. Still waiting for one that I can't play like that, fortunately...!
     
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  6. waltc3

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    This is a very early look at a new product--it's an in-house release as well (nVidia is no stranger to releasing in-house benchmarks before a product release that turn out to have been been exaggerated in some key fashion.) The purpose here was simply to demonstrate that this is a real new product which is close to finalization and shipping--it's not a definitive product review and was not meant to be. But as long as this product rings the bell at a significantly lower price than nVidia's trying to get atm, it's going to be well received, imo.

    I agree about using Intel CPUs, it does seem counter productive--especially at 4k--when the cpu used doesn't mean a hill of beans. For lower resolutions, the cpu is only important because game-engine compilers favor Intel architectures because they have been unchanged for many years--whereas Ryzen is still comparatively new and compiler optimization for game engines hasn't matured--hasn't even started to mature yet, really--although things are surely a lot better now than they were at the Ryzen launch! (And they were never *that* bad even then.) I expect that things will pick up this year in terms of Ryzen 3k and beyond.
     
  7. GREGIX

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    How's so? I mean, vega 64 was 699$ at launch time, top, water cooled. Seems to me price is the same, so where do you find that 50% more charges???
     
  8. Geryboy

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    very great variance on 4k, from 10 to 50% difference, wth? beta drivers?
     
  9. Fox2232

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    Other possible causes exist. Since it has been stated that Radeon 7 eats around same as Vega 64, there may be TDP limit in game.
    Basically some games may force card to run empty cycles so much that it drastically decreases work done.
    Unlocking TDP and undervolting will likely stabilize results unless other limit like CPU is in place.
     
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  10. Neo Cyrus

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    It likely also heavily depends on how memory hungry the games are. That'll add to the variance a lot in this case. There's a reason why AMD picked 4K, it's a 16GB card, self-published benchmarks are always cherry picked in some way.
     
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  11. HARDRESET

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    Once you go big screen you don't go back, especially when you get older.
     
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    Yeah, I've had my 4K screen for enough years now that it's easily the last thing I could stand to downgrade on my PC (with a SSD for the OS drive a close second).
     
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    What do you keyboard warriors think regarding how this card will perform in the future? Reason i ask is the "fine vine" some are talking about, and can sees in old and newer benchmarks. Is the architecture to similar to the old vega that we can see some increases. Or do you think they are going to be able to get more out of the chip after some time? The card has some tweaks compared to olver vega, also after som research. Its not a binned vega 7nm chip, they have done some changes. So i was wrong when i speculated this was a binned chip.
    And anyone dare to speculate about how pricing will be in 5-6 month's, both this and rtx? Also a 4k gamer, big screen. Was fixing a pc and used my old monitor. 1080p 27inch, worked fine when i used it. Now after getting used to my newer monitor, it looked like crap. Tho, i must say a big ultrawide screen with decent resolution dosent look shabby... :p
     
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    Mark my words! Division 2 will come with DXR support for VEGA7!.
     
  15. BlackZero

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    I'll believe it when I see it.
     
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    No, no pal, with DXR instructions enabled RTX 2060 is gonna send radeon VII flying with an AI and efficiency uppercut. It won't see it coming.
     
  17. Valken

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    It will be nearly on PAR with a 2080 stock so check your main goto game and then decide. I think VII is going to be a surprise.

    I am aiming for a 4K upgrade so this or Navi is on my radar. For me its a big win with all that compute power and RAM as that is usable with mods and high textures even at 4K vs RTRT.

    Don't get me wrong, I am pro RTRT but its not there yet. If asked to trade turning RT on @ 1080p vs 4K, I would take 4K any day.
     
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  18. DeskStar

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    Seems like AMD has made stock in placeholders.....
     
  19. K.S.

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    Then do some research into it and find out?

    Hmmm.... right.... :rolleyes:

    Seems a little bit of a unbelievable claim. Insider info?
     
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  20. BuildeR2

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    This could be possible, considering they flew the Ubisoft guy all the way out to Vegas for the AMD keynote. Also, why do so many people think AMD cards will suck at RTRT compared to NV? Isn't RTRT stuff compute heavy? As far as I know the AMD cards have always had strong compute, whereas NV rips that out so you have to buy a Quadro card. I feel like NV only has to add these "special" tensor/AI cores because of how they have been crippling the gaming line of GPU's for some time.
     
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