AMD On APIs and the future of Mantle

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Rich_Guy, Mar 2, 2015.

  1. Rich_Guy

    Rich_Guy Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    12,736
    Likes Received:
    716
    GPU:
    MSI 2070S X-Trio
    http://community.amd.com/community/amd-blogs/amd-gaming/blog/2015/03/02/on-apis-and-the-future-of-mantle
     
  2. Noisiv

    Noisiv Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    8,135
    Likes Received:
    1,403
    GPU:
    2070 Super
    Does this read like obituary or what...

    What's the right way to read this?
     
  3. Anarion

    Anarion Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    13,605
    Likes Received:
    383
    GPU:
    GeForce RTX 3060 Ti
    "DX12 and the upcoming GL next made our API obsolete." Or at least it sounds like it...
     
  4. WhiteLightning

    WhiteLightning Don Illuminati Staff Member

    Messages:
    29,234
    Likes Received:
    2,077
    GPU:
    GTX1070 iChillx4

    it also says this (not copy pasted)

    So it seems they got it covered might they change their minds lol
     

  5. Noisiv

    Noisiv Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    8,135
    Likes Received:
    1,403
    GPU:
    2070 Super
    Even if that is true, why would you run R.I.P. article?

    Also, they finally release SDK and then they point you to DX12 instead...Jesus!
    I know there is some logic behind this, I just cant find it.

    Mr. Raja posted his random thoughts on Mantle because he had some free time on his hands? Riiiiight...
     
  6. Fox2232

    Fox2232 Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    11,809
    Likes Received:
    3,367
    GPU:
    6900XT+AW@240Hz
    Mantle SDK is not available to public.
     
  7. Noisiv

    Noisiv Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    8,135
    Likes Received:
    1,403
    GPU:
    2070 Super
    its about to be...
    or maybe not

     
  8. Spets

    Spets Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    3,163
    Likes Received:
    287
    GPU:
    RTX 3090
    In other words they'll drop support real soon so they can cut back on costs. There's also nothing "open" about it so far.
     
  9. Yxskaft

    Yxskaft Maha Guru

    Messages:
    1,481
    Likes Received:
    119
    GPU:
    GTX Titan Sli
    Mantle is either very similar to DirectX 12 or OpenGL Next.
    AMD obviously knew about both those APIs and that it'd be impossible to push an AMD specific API no matter the resources.
     
  10. Anarion

    Anarion Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    13,605
    Likes Received:
    383
    GPU:
    GeForce RTX 3060 Ti
    I bet that they don't actually have resources to optimise drivers for all three APIs. Master of none? Nvidia doesn't have to worry about that.
     

  11. Redemption80

    Redemption80 Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    18,495
    Likes Received:
    266
    GPU:
    GALAX 970/ASUS 970
    It's understandable though, while Nvidia and Intel will only have to support 2 api's, AMD will have to work with 3 if they don't try and phase out Mantle.

    I'm sure they work they have already done will help with DX12 & GL Next though.

    Edit: Pretty much said the same as above lol.
    Reading it again though i've released they are saying they are no longer releasing the public sdk.
     
    Last edited: Mar 3, 2015
  12. The Postman

    The Postman Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    1,773
    Likes Received:
    0
    GPU:
    MSI 980 TI Gaming
    I wish AMD could finish something. I mean everything seems half made, unfinished, sometimes rushed. They take their sweet time to do things on everything.

    Mantle is DOA already. AMD hasnt really showed its capalities or really supported across their lineup.
     
  13. fantaskarsef

    fantaskarsef Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    12,676
    Likes Received:
    5,142
    GPU:
    2080Ti @h2o
    I'm not that up to date regarding mantle, but what does mantle offer above '1.0' functionality? Because, if they say the programers should refer to dx12 for mantle '1.0', what does mantle 2.0 bring?
     
  14. OnnA

    OnnA Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    14,221
    Likes Received:
    3,825
    GPU:
    3080Ti VISION OC
    So AMD finally do The Best Thing in History.

    Now we Have DX12/oGL Next and that's a Next-gen Mantle and Full Hardware Radeon Utilisation on every API essential to Gamers.
    Like Nike ;-) Just Do It.
    And there will be no API fragmentation -> its better for Developers and finally for Us Gamers :D Great news
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 4, 2015
  15. pbvider

    pbvider Master Guru

    Messages:
    989
    Likes Received:
    0
    GPU:
    GTX
    So why did they even bother to develop Mantle?Why did they waste their time/money to do something that will die pretty soon,because I`m very sure that they knew about the development of the DX12 but they did continue for the sake of the marketing.
     

  16. fantaskarsef

    fantaskarsef Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    12,676
    Likes Received:
    5,142
    GPU:
    2080Ti @h2o
    I'm wondering the same thing, what does mantle offer more than an gcn-optimized dx12?
     
  17. Spets

    Spets Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    3,163
    Likes Received:
    287
    GPU:
    RTX 3090
    Well they managed to have people believe MS developed DX12 and a working demonstration a month after mantles announcement, and some others that DX12 is a reskinned mantle. So there's that..
     
  18. pbvider

    pbvider Master Guru

    Messages:
    989
    Likes Received:
    0
    GPU:
    GTX
    It doesn`t offer nothing more,otherwise AMD will share with us.Instead of developing Mantle they were in better position if they worked with Microsoft on DX12,but from what I`ve seen, the announcement of Mantle was like a slap on MS face and thats not good for long term business.

    I believe that MS was working for a long time on DX12,actually when DX12 was released nV and MS rep. said that they were working close for the past 4 years on DX12,and maybe thats why AMD develop Mantle,just to make ppl believe that DX12 is Mantle reskinned,just my 2 cents.
    The only effect that AMD had on Microsoft,was to force it to announce the DX12.
     
    Last edited: Mar 3, 2015
  19. Turanis

    Turanis Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    1,780
    Likes Received:
    489
    GPU:
    Gigabyte RX500
    M$$$ was forced to hurry the development of DX12.

    Mantle was a "open path",the begining of Dx12.Now is obsolete,because DX12 & OpenGLNext will be mainstream.
     
  20. pbvider

    pbvider Master Guru

    Messages:
    989
    Likes Received:
    0
    GPU:
    GTX
    DX12 was going to be released on Windows 10 anyway so AMD`s Mantle didn`t forced the development of anything,all they manage to force was the announcement of the DX12,thats all.
     

Share This Page