AMD NAVI Radeon 5700 Product Announcement thread

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  1. Fox2232

    Fox2232 Ancient Guru

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    Prior release of Turing, nVidia had better performance per transistor per clock.
    With Turing, they degraded themselves due to investment which did not exactly improve classical rendering methods. And as result Vega is practically equal with Turing in this comparison.
    But Navi in its 1st iteration is better in this department. And we can only expect better performance per transistor per clock.

    Issue at hand is that AMD is AMD and they like to use available clocks and therefore set higher TDP/TBP. On other hand Navi can do 2GHz and clocking it out of the box to just 1500~1600 MHz must look like quite some waste.

    So at time nVidia delivers 7nm EUV GPUs next year, AMD will deliver their alternative. And here is what I expect:
    nVidia will double down on RTX capability which will again weaken their performance per transistor per clock.
    AMD will deliver final Navi configuration which will improve again performance per transistor per clock.

    AMD will have quite some advantage in terms of manufacturing cost of GPUs vs. delivered performance. It may come again at cost of higher power consumption. But that remain to be seen. And we do not really know real power draw characteristics of 5700 XT and what we can do about it.
     
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  2. Astyanax

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    thats not how any of this works.
     
  3. Fox2232

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    That's exactly how it works.
     
  4. Goiur

    Goiur Master Guru

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    I think what Astyanax wants to say is that he gives a f**** about the guts of the card itself as long as it delivers on review charts. You are good with half card dead/sleep while gaming (rtx cores) if the other halfs performance is better than the competition "full card".

    Thruth is you pay for that "dead" half and the company that build and desing it too, so you are wasting money on transistors that deliver 0 performance gain.
     
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  5. Astyanax

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    hey, guess what.

    your gpu always has inactive components at some point or another.

    not all games use tesselators
    not all games use hull or geometry shaders.
    RT cores being idle is nothing new.

    neither is architecture ignorance by consumers.
     
  6. Goiur

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    Everything has inactive components at some point in time, even human brain, thats not what we are discussing here.

    A simple fact about rtx components atm is that many of the low rtx cards bought by consumers will die with the rtx cores as new because they were never used. Maybe not in the 2080/2080ti space, but surely in some 2070 and 90% of the 2060.
     
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    We'll see about that, RTX has optimizations coming for RT feature sets in the near future.
     
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    251mm2 - $450

    hmm, something feels off :) Do i get the ryzen 8 core that comes with the full consoles next year along with that at that same price? ;o
     
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    Yeilds would have to be very bad for a 251mm die to cost so much granted it's a new node it just doesn't seem right.
     
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  10. Fox2232

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    Yields are good. nVidia has 3 times as big sales as AMD. This means AMD needs bigger margins to recoup fixed cost.
    (Please understand that to support all APIs on HW level requires same work for each and every GPU manufacturer same goes for tape-out which costs much more on 7nm than on 14/16nm.)
     

  11. alanm

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    Adored latest trashes Navi. Uncharacteristic of him.
     
  12. Loophole35

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    He’s just trying to save face.
     
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    I can't help but agree with him though, especially the launch prices....AARGH! :mad:
     
  14. Ryu5uzaku

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    I don't know why the launch prices are so horrible to some. They are in line with nvidia for similar performance. They don't have the capita to just undercut by bunch considering they need to make the r&d costs and 7nm does cost more to make then lets say polaris did.
     
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    It's called capitalism.

    Once the consoles start to get released, and the huge economies of scale come in to play, prices may start to come down.
     

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  17. Astyanax

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    TBP can easily exceed 260w on the 2080, under stock power and clock settings.
     
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    Source?
     
  19. Astyanax

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    reddit post that i can't find for the life of me.

    guy was complaining that he bought a 2080 and 2080ti and both were pulling far more than they were rated for causing his UPS's to shut down due to OCP.
     
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    Maybe poor UPS unit or referring to the 2080ti. If 2080 drew 260w at stock, it would have been quickly spotted by reviewers and youtubers. A random redditor is far from evidence of any sort.
     

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