AMD NAVI Radeon 5700 Product Announcement thread

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  1. Andy Watson

    Andy Watson Member Guru

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    Not sure why you are saying performance is terrible for this midrange card and mentioning how good the 2080Ti is in comparison in your first paragraph.

    That's chalk and cheese market segment wise.

    You are getting previous high end performance for less money. AMD are pitching it to make as much money as possible given the market prices nvidia has chosen for the early adopters.

    Navi has a lot of wiggle room for price reductions once the initial honeymoon / fanfare period is over and nvidia responds with prices and specs.

    Just wait for the reviews, the bunfight afterwards and then how it settles down.

    At least there is now a price pressure going on at long last. :) 2019 is finally when prices go down after the mining bubble burst. You should be happy about that, not moaning. May it continue.
     
  2. angelgraves13

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    What bothers me is that it's barely faster than their current cards. They could have slapped 64 CU in there to be faster, but they put the bare minimum for it to perform nearly identical to the current cards within the margin of error. It might be able to run FP16 and FP32 much faster at the same time like Turing, but an architecture can't shine if it's gimped.

    I want to see full Navi, but I know we never will.
     
  3. Fox2232

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    RX-580 8G costs 1/3rd of what it did during mining times.
     
  4. Andy Watson

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    But every generation is previous high end being current mid range performance wise. No change there. Then tweaks.

    The issue here is the price after we come off the mining bubble.

    In summary I would prefer to be optimistic rather than pessimistic. Vega VII or whatever did seem to be a dead end, but this should not be.
     

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    It's key if you want to be able to turn it into a mobile gpu for laptops. Then efficiency is king. With the 7nm process advantage I think it's fair to say we all hoped for better.
     
  6. Undying

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    Sadly radeon group is going under while their cpu group is rising. We are waiting and waiting and looks like there is no another 7950/7970 on sight. Nvidia will have like ten rtx cards (regular, super) while amd have two navi cards, overpriced on top of it.
     
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    I dont know about that. I think AMD is in a better position to undercut Nvidia on the price front, esp with half the die sizes vs RTX cards. Although I dont think we will see repeat RX 570/580 pricing, they are in a much better position to gain the bang for the buck crown just like with Polaris.
     
  8. Undying

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    Interesting time ahead no doubt. I think Navi is arch to break it or make it for AMD. There will be probably higher number of cu's ver coming oit later this year. Intel is also joining the fight next year.

    2020 gaming systems :

    AMD = PS5, Xbox scarlet, Stadia, Samsung phones, Switch 2 (rumor), PC

    Nvidia = PC
     
  9. fantaskarsef

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    That's so the bosses can hold it better when showing it off, compare page 2's picture of AMD's boss :D
     
  10. OnnA

    OnnA Ancient Guru

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  11. Loophole35

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    To be fair this card is much faster than any Polaris. In DX12 it should be nipping the heals of the 1080ti/2080. For the record I feel $399/$329 should be the prices.
     
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    Well you know how this goes. When they see nvidia is faster again they'll reduce the prices like always.
     
  13. Loophole35

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    AMD could probably give 2080ti a run for its money with 64CU Navi .Power is the only concern when they get there, as die size would be well under control even at 64CU.
     
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    I don’t think we’ll ever see a high end Navi card.
     
  15. Grumpymangrumbling2019

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    I think both need to be £50 cheaper.
    Be nice is they released one with 128 compute units with 32 gig of hbm2
    they could but choose not to.
     

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    Man, that would be 30B transistors. Over 50% more than 2080Ti. And 750mm^2 die size. Cost on 7nm would not be friendly same way as yields.
     
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    They kinda did with radeon pro duo. Thou in fairness that's two 64CU Vegas "glued together". Sorry I had to.
     
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    Only if the cards are compared on different nodes ... competition would be skewed again when Nvidia is at 7nm.
     
  19. Loophole35

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    I don’t give a rats ass what node each chip is on all I care about is performance.
     
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  20. Fox2232

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    Prior release of Turing, nVidia had better performance per transistor per clock.
    With Turing, they degraded themselves due to investment which did not exactly improve classical rendering methods. And as result Vega is practically equal with Turing in this comparison.
    But Navi in its 1st iteration is better in this department. And we can only expect better performance per transistor per clock.

    Issue at hand is that AMD is AMD and they like to use available clocks and therefore set higher TDP/TBP. On other hand Navi can do 2GHz and clocking it out of the box to just 1500~1600 MHz must look like quite some waste.

    So at time nVidia delivers 7nm EUV GPUs next year, AMD will deliver their alternative. And here is what I expect:
    nVidia will double down on RTX capability which will again weaken their performance per transistor per clock.
    AMD will deliver final Navi configuration which will improve again performance per transistor per clock.

    AMD will have quite some advantage in terms of manufacturing cost of GPUs vs. delivered performance. It may come again at cost of higher power consumption. But that remain to be seen. And we do not really know real power draw characteristics of 5700 XT and what we can do about it.
     
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