AMD NAVI Radeon 5700 Product Announcement thread

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  1. Astyanax

    Astyanax Ancient Guru

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    or they do it for immeasurable moments very rarely but enough for a ups or psu to catch and power off.

    the 2080ti has been noticed to draw 400w for 1ms in some cases.
     
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    Power draw arguments and complaints are always silly in these forums considering that most people here are running overclocked hardware that's already power hungry to begin with.
     
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    Why do people keep saying prices are terrible?
    The RX 5700 XT is about to go against the RTX 2070, while being cheaper and performing a bit better (in theory).
    Why price it lower at launch? So that we'll say that AMD loves us, while nVidia only wants our money?
    AMD probably pushes their margin as high as the market allows, nVidia will probably lower their prices after releasing the "Super" line, and AMD will readjust their prices closer to what the non-Super nVidia cards will cost.

    As for the power draw, 20W more aren't that difficult to cool, and will cost you about 7$ a year on your bill, the power efficiency talk is getting way out of scale.
     
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  4. Venix

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    @Mpampis i agree with every point you made , but the complaints about the price is justified if you go back on the rtx lineup release threads you would see that almost nobody here liked the pricejump on every tier .....or better say the price leap! Amd comming out with a gpu that has slightly improved price/performance ratio than the terrible ratio rtx has .... Is not something we will not complain about! After all a slightly less terrible is still terrible!
     
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  5. Fox2232

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    If 2070 came with performance/price ratio of 5700 XT, people would not complain nowhere near as much as they did. Yes, time did pass and people should expect better. But for AMD, nVidia is fixed point around which they work.

    What would be reason to smash pricing from start? Why would AMD intentionally undervalue their new product? Mindshare will not change. Look at all those people with 1060 vs RX-580. One can even expect that that GTX 1650 4G will have higher percentage in steam stats than better and cheaper RX-570 8G, or even much cheaper 4G version. Where RX 570 4/8G together has peak at 0.45%.

    It is quite difference to see RX-580 with 1.25% and GTX 1060 having 16%.
    = = = =
    As long as people do not care about value GPU provides, AMD does not have reason to undercut nVidia.
     
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  6. Mpampis

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    @Venix I do agree that the cards are expensive (I remember when I got my HD 4850 for 80€), but the discrete GPU market prices are actually set by nVidia.
    @Fox2232 does make a valid point. When it comes to the GPU market, mindshare is difficult to change. AMD fanboys looking to upgrade will buy it, nVidia fanboys won't. Those who have a 500$ budget and haven't decided have no reason to prefer the RTX 2070. The rest of us will simply wait for prices to drop.
    Also, please bear in mind that AMD's target these days is the CPU market. That's why there are many new Ryzen SKUs and only 2 GPUs.
    And lets not forget that although Navi cards are supposed to be midrange GPUs, they are way faster than, let's say, my RX 480, which did cost more than 300€ when launched (before the Bitcoin craze that is).
    Since I'm thinking of upgrading, I'll wait for the 5700 prices to drop below 330€ (or the XT to drop below 380€) and probably get one. If that takes too long, I'll wait and see what AMD has to offer in 2020.
     
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    I would be surprised if AMD stick to their announced Navi prices for long. Given the sour reception RTX cards had at launch, AMD have a golden opportunity to really shake things up and claw back some market share if they were to reduce prices just by a mere $50. Sadly, AMD doesnt seem to realize this and have a habit of poorly handling product launches. A $399 XT and $329 5700 could really impress reviewers at launch day. I hope someone in management recognizes this and and capitalizes on this opportunity before its too late.
     
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    Yeah, this double standards is getting out of hand!

    Nvidia introduces the RTX 2060 at $349 and half the internet has a meltdown. "A mid-end card shouldn't cost more than $250, what a greedy basterds".

    AMD introduces the RX5700 six months later at $379, "oh, look, what a lovely mid-end card, greetings to AMD".

    I guess people only see what they want to see!
     
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  9. Venix

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    @Mpampis i remember very well the Rx 480 4gb came out with msrp of 199usd and 239usd for the 8gb price was the marketing of amd at the time that they brought vr gaming entrance to 199 usd
    and yes sadly yes they are and i do not like em at all from both camps !
    @Fox2232 well is kind of known that so many want to amd to bring killer cards so they can buy nvidia cheaper witch is sad ... the rx 470/480 -570/580 outside of the mining craze where criminally neglected and seeing the 1050ti selling like hot cake on 250 ... is just sad
     
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    Link to that being confirmed? I speculated that considering the previous AMD launches but hadn't seen it stated anywhere. I see August but that is only one month after launch.
     
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    I've seen August but again that is only a month after release on the 7th of July (likely paper with stock not hitting shelves till a week later).
     
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    AMD made a huge mistake with this launch. They should have shown the RX 5700XT at 349, and the RX 5700 at 299. They just got too greedy. They do not have the mindshare to pull off selling these at their current launch prices. An aftermarket 5700XT is going to end up costing 500 US. People will just not buy them. They should have used common sense here. The RTX cards have sold poorly, due to their rip off prices. AMD has no mindshare in the GPU market, yet they try and go full blast in pricing by charging 450 US for a stock 5700 XT. It is just another overpriced midrange card, just like the RTX 2070 is. Prices from both sides is appalling, and this garbage pricing across all skus needs to stop.
     
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    Still playing the catching up , I hope the they will bring something exciting out in my lifetime , it has been bit underwhelming in the graphics cards industry lately .
     
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    I like navi already
    rumored price "fixing"
    super cards what ever they are
    getting better I think
     
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    Show me historically when was it last time AMD gained market share by undercutting nVidia. 3 years ago AMD launched Polaris. I do not see any great improvement in their market share since then.
    Having faster product at lower price did not work... Doing same thing and expecting different results...
    Who do you have them for?
     

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    Its been a long time, but HD4850 ($199) and 4870 ($299) back in 2008 certainly helped them get a bump in market share. These cards arrived only within a month of Nvidias expensive GTX 280 and 260 cards that were priced at $650 and $450. Nvidia had to re-adjust their pricing as a result.
     
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    Exactly. As nVidia got Ageia. But since then they have stranglehold of proprietary tech. And no reason to react. Same way as intel has no big reason to react.
    If people want Nvidia to react, they'll have to stop buying their products. (Does not mean that they have to buy AMD's either.)

    People had chance to say no to Turing pricing. Their choice, consequences for everyone.
     
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    yep^ funny how soon we forget....
     
  19. cowie

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    soon? launched in June 2008
    was over a decade ago
    amd happened to be better for "3dbenching" then intel was at that time too.:)

    its all just price placement now price it on how fast it is compared to the other guy,both seem to care about the bottom line of coarse so higher the better
     
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    People didn't talked too much about what could scalability be ... Could Amd copy the Zen chiplet architecture to Navi ??? If you look at the second picture in "Tech preview: Radeon RX 5700 and 5700 XT, https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/tech-preview-radeon-rx-5700-and-5700-xt-(navi),1.html we can see 20 similar patterns all around the center. 20 * 128 = 2560 shaders ; 18 *128 = 2304 shaders. Numbers match. This could be the first iteration and second should be 128 shaders becoming a chiplet and then AMD could repeat the Zen success, in lowering cost and maximizing the number of shaders as they did with CPU Cores.

    That's my 2 cents !
     

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