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AMD Lowers Prices for Radeon RX 5700 NAVI Cards, 349 USD and 399 for the XT USD

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Jul 5, 2019.

  1. Aura89

    Aura89 Ancient Guru

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    Did you just come out of a cave?

    People are definitely complaining that nvidias prices are too high, they have since the original 20 series came out, possibly even before then depending on the person and release.

    The simple fact that people can say about 2070 super cost though is:

    545mm2
    ray tracing capabilities (physical, as it's not software)

    Vs navi's reasons for being expensive

    251 mm2
    7nm

    So that's what? The 2070 Super is around 4.75 times larger then the 5700/XT? Not to mention the additional fail rates due to the high numbers increasing costs?

    People are saying the navi GPUs should be cheaper, because despite the 7nm potential unobtainable cost increase, 251mm2 is a tiny, tiny GPU. It's rare that a GPU that small has been put into a cost bracket that it currently, even with the decreased price, cost, at least lately. RX 580 for instance is a tiny, tiny bit smaller of a GPU, yet is $230

    People are saying, that apparently you haven't seen which is amazing to me, that all the 20 series is overly priced. Like, no matter where you look people are saying it, so i really don't understand where your question about that even comes from lol
     
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    @Ricardo : Sadly, anyone who bought 1050(Ti) was ripped off and was better off buying GPU on AMD's side for same price. High end is different story and since AMD did not have those top dog cards, there is no reason to compare there.
     
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    https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/aq4t33/linux_opengl_driver_radeon_vii_230_faster_rx_480/
     

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    Exactly. Them trying to spin this as it was all planned is utter BS. But their fans will believe everything.
     
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    As it should have been from the very start. The GPU Market wasn't as wrapped around your fingers as you stupidly assumed AMD. So tired of price-gouging cards. This isn't Navi 20 it's 10 stay in your price lane fool...
     
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    Unfortunately the cards are still $50 too high even after this price cut, though not sure this is a price war. RT and hopefully VRS is in the works for RDNA2 next year, so not sure how many will want spend money this year and have to buy another future proof card again next year.
     
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    Ahh, the smell of shill is strong. Colours are being loudly displayed. Popcorn at the ready...
     
  10. Fediuld

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    If you want "future proofing" buy a console. Nvidia cards are even worse atm, because they are not even 7nm when comes to "future proofing", or given their RT performance. So stop bashing AMD for no reason.
     
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    ............

    7nm has nothing to do with future proofing.

    Take money aside, and the best "future proofed" card would be the RTX Titan, and that's not on 7nm

    I really have zero clue as to why you even put 7nm in there.

    A video card could be on 100nm, and the size of a football field(yes, i know, not realistic), and have more future-proofing then a GPU that's on 7nm, since....the nm has nothing to do with something being future proof.

    By that logic, a 10nm Core i3 8121U 2-core, 4 thread, 2.2Ghz processor is more "future proof" then any other currently released intel processors, even though the 14nm Core i3 8130u, 2-core, 4 thread, 2.2Ghz processor both beats its performance, and by far beats its power consumption......

    Now, having ray tracing, regardless of if you personally are unhappy with its current performance, does put a factor of future proofing on RTX series GPUs that the RX 5000 series of AMD GPUs will never have. It doesn't matter what your opinion is about the performance, because (unless something changes, which could happen) the RX 5000 series will never have ray tracing capability. Which means in the future, if a game comes out, you can choose with an RTX 20 series GPU to turn on ray tracing, or not, where you can't with an RX 5000 series. This is by definition "Future proofing".

    AMD could enable ray tracing, such as Nvidia has done on it's GTX 10 series, but the performance comparison, just like with the 10 series, would still be abysmal in comparison. This would be another definition of "future proofing".

    Now, AMD could come out with software based ray tracing, or whatever it is they currently put a patent on, which could change this. But considering this is unknown technology that will work on unknown cards at unknown performances, it's really not able to be considered a "future proof" concept when it comes to the RX 5000 series since we literally have zero clue as to what it is....at all, realistically.
     
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    Console are hardly future proofed as the same applies. Cards don't have to be at 7nm in order to perform better than the competition, much less play RT games. The current trend is to recycle cards 2-3 years and at that time all vendors will have cards that perform much better.
    If you consider this bashing take a look at the "SUPER" thread.

    Edit: Try to keep your own bashing in check.
    https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/r...-founders-edition.427428/page-11#post-5687313
     
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    With consoles you know it won't change the next 5 years. If someone buys the 2020 consoles, doesn't want to buy new hardware until 2025 at least. While on PC you need to replace GPU every 2 years at least, and with the current prices they cost as much as a console, if not more......

    As for my post you quoted, as least based my argument with facts which Amazon put down. (i have replied to that post).
    You just make wild guesses and retorting without a single fact but your own opinion.
     
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    There is other option. Stay on one tier lower resolution. 4K is matter of choice and sacrifice. 1440p is OK if one is willing to pay. 1080p allows for great fps and in time still OK fps with older GPU.
    There is even good chance that strong GPUs will become technologically obsolete before their performance becomes low for 1080p.
     
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    That false because 2020 console hardware requirements may not support the 2021 - 2025 console entertainment requirements, though it might. Unless you have a crystal ball there is no way to know.
    Is this a fact you are making in the post I linked, or just a wild guess?
    While you can make statements like this, they are not meaningful before the Navi NDA has lifted and reviews are available.
     
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    Right question is: Who's going to make those 2021 "better" consoles and for what company?

    If one talks about 2020 XBox and PS from AMD. What are going to be those "Better" consoles that would support those "2021 - 2025 console entertainment requirements"? Some new company will make chips for them? And what company will order their creation? "Next-Gen console Consortium"?

    Chances are that once MS's and Sony's consoles are out, there are not going to be other targets for consoles for few years. Those consoles may miss some feature. But who else would come with that thing into market?
     
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    I'm sorry, but what does that have to do with the topic at hand? Did you really just ran out of arguments and threw a jab at me personally?

    I'll give you the benefit of doubt and address your concerns, regardless.

    I wasn't ripped off buying a 1050ti, since, like I said before, nvidia has better OpenGL implementation in windows. If you couldn't tell, that's a big deal to me since I use emulators heavily, so right off the bat AMD wasn't a good option.

    Also, prices aren't linear across the world. I live in Brazil and here prices can get pretty crazy and different from other regions. So, in my case I ended up buying the 1050ti for about 60% of the price of a 1060/rx580, which were too expensive for me.

    Regarding the high end, I'm not sure I follow your argument. We're talking about similarly priced cards here, and I stated that for (about) the same money nvidia is offering more than AMD. What does that have to do with having or not products in the high end tier?
     
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    That's exactly it. You went on and on how one is better off with nVidia because of OpenGL. But at that price point, even OGL would run better on AMD's side. For price of GTX 1050Ti 4G one can have RX-570 8G or 580 4G.
    (Do yourself a little comparison. Or not. But that's ~2x performance with 570 and ~2.5x with 580)
    You are apparently happy with 4GB VRAM - Currently (excluding tax):
    RX 570 4G - Mini Size : $117
    RX 570 4G - Standard Size: $128
    GTX 1050 Ti 4GB - Standard Size: $146
    GTX 1050 Ti 4GB - Mini Size : $161
     
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    But there are no facts there.

    You know how many times retailers accidentally put up pages with completely wrong details and prices on them? All. The. Time. But you're unwilling to reply to posts that call you out on this because you have nothing to back it up other then relying on an "oops!" from a retailers as your grand facts, is very telling.

    Plus the fact that you, in this thread, claim 7nm is a "future proofing" technology, as if it had anything to do with something in the future being able to utilize better the "7nm" in a product.
     
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    It would definitely be AMD providing the consoles. The question is whether we will see other advanced GPU features (like RT, VRS) adopted in the 2021 - 2025 time frame which are made available on videocards, and will consoles be able to wait till 2025 or later to implement. Games will likely become more visually taxing and whether or not a 2021 console has adequate performance would be a major question.
     

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