Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Nov 14, 2022.
Plenty of people lack patience and will buy anything amd puts out if they can't find a 4080/4090.
Based on the 4080 reviews, it looks like the XTX will be a winner. Slightly faster and hundreds cheaper.
AMD will launch their cards in December...4090 is theoretically at least in stores and 4080 will be in stores starting tomorrow. And I really don't believe that AMD will flood the market in December based on previous experience. I am really mad at them - for a ms I actually believed that they will challenge Nvidia for top dog - this is the only thing that Nvidia cares: to have the fastest even if a halo product - card on the market. But no, they did it again.
The market is anyway really bad: just look at the prices for the 4090 FE and the ASUS 4080: 50 bucks difference at bestbuy - is this sane?
Holy price ROG premium . Almost same price as vanilla 4090. This is crazy !
My purchasing windows are pretty small as i only come back to the UK two or three times a year, i bought a 6900xt rather than a 3090(Ti) purely on availability.
Also the two games i play the most, and by a long long way, dont have RT so if the 7900xtx is significantly faster than the 6900xt il buy, certainly if in those games it equals the 4090.
A couple points, in no particular order...
- Here in the EU, you have to add ~50% to the price. Example: 4090 are selling for 2300-2500 EUR.
- People saying "buy 4090 for future proof" are having a short memory. Buying top tier GPU never worked out. Buying Titan or 3090 for future proof didn't work.
- Middle tier GPUs aren't capable of RT effects with decent FPS (~90FPS). So if you're not willing to spend a fortune, RT is still just a curiosity. I hoped RT will be sorted like Tessellation was. Now nobody cares or even remembers. Sadly we're not there yet.
- AMD going with chiplets was their strategy to lower costs. If that savings were passed on to customers, AMD would win across the board. If they did a Marketing Blitz along the lines "Gaming isn't for the rich only" and priced XT at $600 (~1000 EUR here) they would get so much good will and made Nvidia look even more greedy, if that's even possible.
I don't like where gaming is going. In Graphics, we're seeing diminishing returns, while prices for mid tier cards are approaching 1000 EUR. Nvme drives capable of 5TB/5TB aren't being utilized. There are so many games being released now that load like we're still in HDD land. And 200GB games? Really? 150EUR for 1TB nvme drive to store 4 games? Then VR. Which is still sadly just a very small niche, that nobody cares (game/engine devs). Oh, I forgot energy bills and heat. I never imagined my PC would act like a space heater just 5 years ago. Melting cables, in 2022? If someone would be telling me all this 10 years ago, I would send him to the loony bin.
Something drastically has to happen because these trends are not sustainable.
I think I will wait this time.
There is not one compelling game( or announcement) now that req this kind of power and as GN said, If u have to pay even 1% more for 1% more of performance, there is no real progress generation to generation. Look at CPUs and what we have now and how looking up generational increases versus performance. CPUs are doing progress. GPUs are just doin price increase.
I will wait for benchmarks to form an opinion but, from the AMD slides, the RT performance of the 7900XTX seems similar to the 3090Ti, no many people were complaining about the RT performance of that card 2 months ago.
Still for me RT is still on it's infancy, not many games really use RT(not just a couple of reflections or shadow effects)
>the RT performance of the 7900XTX seems similar to the 3090Ti, no many people were complaining about the RT performance of that card 2 months ago.
Yeah, but even 3090Ti was not capable of 4K with 4 RT titles without DLSS.
I think it's like Tessellation version 2 all over again. Soon, we won't care because it will be a switch in options that tax a couple of FPS. I know it's computationally very different and harder but I thought game engine devs would be smart and "sprinkle" RT effects here and there. Resident Evil is a smart RT implementation in my opinion. If RT ON tanks my FPS from 90 to 30, why would I even turn it on?
>Still for me RT is still on it's infancy, not many games really use RT(not just a couple of reflections or shadow effects)
I agree 100%. When mid tier GPUs will be able to run RT at decent FPS (90 IMO), it's pointless.
When all the reference cards sell out at $999 the higher priced AIB models will make the $899 look better on price performance. I expect higher performance and overclocks on AIB models will push XTX prices closer to the $1199 rtx4080.
Prices for AMD and Nvidia will hopefully drop when Ampere/Navi2 stocks drop off a cliff.
6950 available around $800 so technically it's $9.4 per fps
$1600 is for 4090 FE but if you look at AIB's it's more like $1900-$2000 which pushes it to $13.8 per fps
3090 ti like $1100-$1200 now so it's $13.1 per fps, if you look at it Nvidia has made all 3000 series basically beneath 4000 series for fps to dollar value. Nvidia wants customers to buy 3000 series still unless you can get FE 4090 fps per dollar is better on any of the 3000 series cards.
If we estimate that 7900xtx slots between the 4080 and 4090 at around 125 fps @ $1000 that's $8 per fps.
agree + if you want true ray tracing games, with a "wow, yeah, unbelievable, omg that is great" effect, you will have to wait for a 1000x faster RT GPU (angstrom domain).
At the speed things are going we have to wait 1 o 2 gens of cards to get that on the high end; new consoles will release by then
I guess it just depends where in the world you live. In the country where I live (New Zealand), the 3090, 6950 are all the same price 2k to $2,300. Also motherboards like the X570 Asus Hero Dark is $750, whilst the X670e Asus Hero is $1,500 and the B650e Asus gaming Wifi is $800 The newly released 4080 is $2,500- $3,400 and the 4090 is $3,600- $4,600. I'm not expecting the soon to be released AMD 7900 series to be any better. Pricing is just nuts atm.
Actualy, I don´t even understand the difference between MSRP and AMD´s SEP (e-tail?). AMD cards only available via the wwweb?
I really like the 7900XTX card design from the AMD presentation, looks clean and elegant.
AMD has nothing going for it, according to you?
XT can easily be quick enough for many. $100 buys a good keyboard and/or a mouse, gaming chair, headphones...or even games(shocking right?!?!?!). Also, the XTX can use more power - not everyone has a 800W power supply, to dumb it down.
Not really thinking may be easier, but...