AMD: graphics cards with consumption above 700W TDP before 2025

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  1. sykozis

    sykozis Ancient Guru

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    The voltage needed, and the voltage applied by AIBs aren't always the same thing....

    In general, I'm not usually too concerned with power consumption given the market segment I usually reside in. But, the power consumption of high-end cards starts to concern me when it means the power consumption of mid-range and budget cards is going to go up as well. If a high-end card is going to consume 700watts, what's the chance of a mid-range card being below 300watts? I don't want to move down to entry-level cards to stay below 300watts....
     
  2. Silva

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    I won't go over 200W TDP for a GPU, ever.
    Summer here is hot and electricity is expensive.
    Make it efficient of gtfo, It just doesn't make sense.

    PS: My RX580 is undervolted to 1.0v and clocked at 1250Mhz. One because of temp/consumption and second because these have a tendency to blow up and she's artifacting already at stock. Otherwhise, works mostly fine with much lower heat and power consumption.
     
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    What surprises me in general: isn't a smaller node supposed to save power? Yes I'm wondering about Nvidia's jump first to Samsung 8nm and now TSMC 5nm
     
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    700 watts? wow I have to keep an eye on my consumption now due to soaring electric prices and have cpu and gpu both down to their minimum just enough to not hurt games

    stock 1.068v and 1950mhz uses 245w but my clocks are set to 1875 @ .836mv and 113-150w power usage

    cpu locked to 4.00ghz with 1.125v or for light gaming 3.6ghz with 1v (3700X)

    all savings help in these times

    700w is ridiculous
     

  5. Dribble

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    I can see this for mining - all they care about is hash rate/watt. If a single card has a great hash rate/watt but uses 700W that's great as it's more compact then needing several lower power cards to do the same thing.
    For gamers who aren't making money off their cards it's a lot less compelling. Do you want a 350W card that runs the latest game at very high game settings, or double that to a 700W card for ultra settings which other than bragging rights basically looks identical.
     
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    I agree, though so long as the architecture's performance-per-watt is improving and prices per performance tier don't keep going up, I don't necessarily think that's a problem, yet. So for example, let's say the RX 9900 XT is 700W and can play the latest AAA titles at max detail in 8K and 60FPS. A 9600 could maybe play the same games in 4K at 300W, and a 9300 can play in 1080p at 150W. I'd be fine with that, assuming the prices of those performance tiers don't go up so much (as I've griped about before, 1080p GPUs have been sold for about $300 for the past 8 years). Honestly, the wide selection of GPUs we get per-generation is pretty stupid anyway, considering the very subtle differences. Would you like a GPU that can reliably play in 1440p, or another one that can also play in 1440p at an extra 10FPS? So, it'd be nice if each performance tier actually offered a compelling difference. </rant>

    Anyway to your point, if the goalpost of what the peak power draw should be keeps moving, soon enough we might find a simple office GPU to drive a few monitors will draw more than 75W, which would be absurd. It doesn't help that a lot of gaming laptops are giant bricks consuming more power than a console. So, your concern is valid.
     
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  7. cucaulay malkin

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    they are saving power, and they're even doing further work to maximize chip density
    https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/designing-arithmetic-circuits-with-deep-reinforcement-learning/

    it's just that their approach has changed. now it's one generation per node, to the limit of what a given node can take.

    next gen will probably be made on 3nm/2nm
     
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  8. Kaleid

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    No chance in hell I'll even go close to 500w.
    I'd be OK with EU stepping in to stop this "development" too.
     
  9. CPC_RedDawn

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    From now on I will be sticking with a sub 300W GPU.

    You have a AMD RX 6900 XTXH LC...... this is why it uses 1.2v out of the box. It is a water cooled GPU with everything pushed to its limits.

    My 6800XT uses 1.15V because I have manually overclocked it. At stock settings I can undervolt to .920V and still hit 2350MHz sustained. For 2500-2600MHz sustained I need 1.15V and this is on a 7nm node so on a newer more efficient 5nm node I can easily see them hitting 3GHz+ with under 1.2V
     
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    That, and i will also stick to 60 FPS gaming, also helps with power draw, heat and noise.
     
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    The BHP of performance cars keeps going up yes, as does performance. You cant expect to go up against your competitors with less power and lower performance with each generation of marque car.

    So many of you guys look at this only through the eyes of the end user, rather than of a business.

    I wonder how many people, and when i say that i mean the vast majority who just look at Reddit benchmarks, how many of those buy just on FPS of a card, the vast majority im sure, and they wont care about power draw if they see one manufacturers card can run some game at 87.3pfs against another who can 'only' get 86fps.

    Bigger numbers count when it comes to sales of anything, NV or AMD dont care about the views of anybody on here, they care about the bulk of the consumers who just see that big numbers = better everything.
    Being kinder to the environment does increase share prices or the biannual dividend, whether or not you like it, its the way it is.
     
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    Man i feel like i'm back in the old days were i used to be in game arcades spending all my money on games.

    If i game for 3 hours a day then i need to put an extra £30 a month into electric. When i don't game for a while i really see a difference in costs.

    6 - 12 months ago i would hardly see any difference but that's not the case now. So it's like a pound a day extra which doesn't sound like much but remember that's just 2-3 hours of gaming.
     
  13. Mufflore

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    Power use is already silly, this projection is ridiculous.
    They are restricting their own markets, much more effort needs to be put into keeping power use down.

    Theres no way in hell I'm getting a 700W card for many reasons.
    My current 450W card gets used at 350W (or less) and I consider that excessive especially in the Summer, such that it doesnt get used until the room cools down at night.
    Things are moving back assward.
     
  14. Mufflore

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    Please can you stop posting rubbish.
     
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  15. Horus-Anhur

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    That is bullshit. If you see the RTX 3000 presentation with Jensen Huang, you see him talking a lot about game performance.

    The cards that are really for workstations are things like the RTX A6000.
     
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  16. PrMinisterGR

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    This is basically an admission that silicone is done.
     
  17. Horus-Anhur

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    Sorry, I couldn't help it. :D

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  18. Martin5000

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    You dont have to run stock.
    simple enough to lower power target and run the cards at a practical power draw.
     
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  19. cucaulay malkin

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    man you need an English to Greek interpreter to watch those presentations.
    here's a short list
    https://www.upwork.com/hire/english-to-greek-translators/
     
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  20. moab600

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    If true that's very bad.
    High end gpus at their stock value are not efficient at all, mainly RTX 3080 and 3090, 320W is already a F**** oven.
     
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