AMD Explains Why Mantle Is Exclusive To PC & Not Present On Xbox One

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    its not just a exclusive api for PC, but a exclusive api for just AMD cards (7xxx and up) isnt it ?
     
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    You would hope that they have made Mantle as close as possible to coding bare-metal on the PS4 and XBox One. Otherwise I just can't see it being adopted, especially when they will still need to write a DirectX / OpenGL version as well for Nvidia / Intel graphics.
     
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    Starting to smell of exclusives, to encourage people to buy an AMD card.
     

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    If they are smart, thats there plan.
     
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    Stop delaying Hilbert and post those R9-290X reviews! :D
     
  7. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    Not this week ...
     
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    boooo
     
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    Taking in account the Low level API on the xbox one and PS4 are made for GCN architecture and have have access to close metal programming, and like Mantle is too an API who allow close to metal programming, the port or the use is clearly similar.

    Even if is not a straight "Mantle API ":

    - XboxOne and Ps4 use an API who access low level close to metal programming on AMD GCN architecture.

    - Mantle is an API for PC who allow the same access to low level close to metal programming on AMD GCN architectures.

    Even if the "software ( API ) part " is different.. they are surely close enough as they do more or less the same thing. Anyway we will know more on november.
     
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    that's what I'm thinking, both consoles run gcn hardware and a low level api, there will be similarities.
     

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    Oh well... It worth a shot anyway... Thanks Hilb. :thumbup:
     
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    Not the best of news but we'll see how things turn out.
     
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    What the hell AMD. We need to se the 290x benchmarks. I want to upgrade to this cards before BF4 comes out and If I don't order this week I might not even get it at the launch of BF4. BTW I'm in SA.
     
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    im just laughing about all the hiped people before when amd first announced all this and they were like hell yeah supper crads new technology new api and all you got was a rebrand. Everyone who followed the market last couple of yours could have seen this coming, mantle is still in beta and has no announcements except for BF4 and ofcourse microsoft will not use mantle on xbox one as for mantle we already had such api in the past and we moved away from them so unless amd makes it open enough and usable for nvidia it will not catch on
     
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    And lo, thousands of AMD fanbois cried out in terror and then were suddenly silenced.
     

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    Mantle is DX HLSL-compatible, you can develop for DX11.x, use the Mantle-API to optimise a lot of graphics coding/performance (just like some games have PhysX-options although the value of that is pretty much nil since the performance hit is usually not worth it for most Geforce-owners), nVidia can write a Mantle-driver for their cards (but they probably won't). AMD have said that nothing stops nVidia from writing a driver that works with Mantle on their GPU's.

    We'll see where this will go. Impossible to say anything at this point.
     
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    NVidia will never use it,if it takes off they'll have their own similar API( that they can control ).

    Im more interested in seeing if this will be available on Linux and if it will mean more PC games will be available on Linux( i hate Windows, would move in a second if top games were available on Linux ), M$ has done its best to hold PC gaming back, forcing delays of PC ports with $$$, having a crap PC GFWL, not porting most of M$ developed Xbox games.
    I would love to see sales of their OS's hurting if gamers moved to Linux, might be a pipe dream but sure we live in hope.
     
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    Mantle is open and NVidia is completely free to use it if they so choose. That has been stated several times. With AMD controlling all 3 consoles, NVidia is [in reality] irrelevant in whether or not Mantle takes off. It's solely up to developers and whether or not they want to make use of it.
     
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    Well if you look at it in another way this might be a good thing for the future of pc gaming.First let's look at gpu's as i high end scalable console (Nvidia and AMD) each with their own api and exclusives like the console market (Microsoft and Sony) which are both competitors.Now the difference between them is what they have to offer for sale.Sony and Microsoft are stuck on one console for the next 5-10 years but AMD and Nvidia until then they would have hundreds of different variants of Gpu's for sale.If AMD and Nvidia would step in a new direction they could each make their own api and operating system exclusively for gaming only based on their hardware. As technology progresses users won't need i high end rig anymore to play AAA titles as more features get embedded on the card itself like what Amd is doing now with including a DSP for sound.This as a reaction could expand their business even further if they pay game studios to take advantage out of their cards and OP systems like the web has done with endless possibilities.Only then we could get (finally) rid of Windows for gaming and leave it for other purposes only and have a much better experience and performance plus almost? no more pirated games...Anyway i could go on and on but i will put a stop here.
    I might be dreaming but only time will show...........
     

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