AMD Epyc 7763 CPUs break Cinebench world record, crushes Intel Xeon in performance

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  1. rl66

    rl66 Ancient Guru

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    Totaly agree, i have made somewhere in here a post about it.
    In most case company change material around 4 or 5 year.
    Epyc started to be very intersting around 2 year ago...
    That mean in 1 year for early adopter, and in 2 or 3 year, we will see if they will keep Epyc on renew to have this info.
    If yes it might be for AMD the return on the Pro segment for time, but for that they have to stay on the run whatever it's positive or not.
    (what might be a good point is that pro motherboard maker seem to extend the AMD line, if they do is that there is a demand).
     
  2. waltc3

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    If Intel could make a competitive CPU it would, but it can't, so it doesn't. Intel will try and sell "productivity benchmarks" over performance per watt. I wish them luck because they will need lots of it!...;)
     
  3. Kaarme

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    They can, it'll just take a bit more time. In the meantime they are still making as much money as ever, so business, let alone existence, wise they have got nothing to worry about. They kicked out the technology hater CEO, so things ought to be rolling for them again in the near future, once research starts to bear fruit. Of course it also depends on how well they get their 7nm process working, but I wouldn't expect a catastrophe there. They had giant problems with the 10nm, but as we all know, a failure can teach more than 10 successes.
     
  4. anticupidon

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    What about the security?
    Anything to say about proven security and vulnerability mitigations?
     
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    The market segment that actually makes the money for companies, enterprise customers.

    The costs in a datacenter are, as has been said, based on thermals more than anything else - the highest cost associated with running a DC is cooling it, followed by redundancy, power and rent on the space. You buy new servers every 5 years (longer, if you don't care about warranties), but you have to cool and power it 24/7, and UPS systems have to be maintained with battery swaps every 2-3, plus paying people to maintain it and the servers in it.

    As a result, most companies who operate their own servers lease space in hosted datacenters to alleviate complexity. The average cost of operating a Tier IV datacenter (the "five nines" level, 99.995% uptime) is around $25,000 a month per square foot, or around $750,000 per rack (datacenters treat this as 30 Sq ft, to account for cooling space and the doors opening). And yeah, this is *still* considerably cheaper than AWS/Azure/Google/etc for the same compute power - cloud hosting is super expensive for high data throughput applications. Therefore getting your compute into as small a physical area as possible is key to making money on it - density is king.

    To put that in perspective, a fully kitted out Dell R7525 server with the chips in the article costs around $75,000, and typically you can get 16-18 of them in a single 42u rack, with typical server lifespans being 5 years. Server costs are pretty small compared to running them.
     
  6. schmidtbag

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    Tell that to some of the largest corporations and organizations in the world that bought them anyway.
     
  7. anticupidon

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    @tty8k
    Reliability, as in CPU platform?
    Well, server platform manufacturers have a standard, as in reliability and hardware parts chosen.
    As in proven reliability through the years? OK, sounds logical, but also sometimes a new platform should and would be implemented.
    Nobody can see the future, but everyone can see in the past, higher electricity bills, more heat and vulnerabilities.
     
  8. tty8k

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    Yes, it's a product that needs to prove reliable.
    Hence the server market is still Intel business with a crushing 93% coverage (was 96% before AMD started to be competitive a few years ago).

    Technologically, AMD progress can't be denied, but from that to business it's a longer way than you might think.
    You don't upgrade a billion dollar business based on a next generation product, just because it's better technically, which is normal to be.
     
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    um...10 watt TDP, even if real-world that comes to be true that it uses 10 watts more, for better performance, means datacenters can get more done for cheaper. Yes, the total "package" cost more to run, but datacenters care about how much money they have to spend to get whatever project they have going done, done, when it comes to power use and cost of running.

    AKA, if something used 50% more power then a competitor, but got projects done three times as fast, they'd be spending less money to get a project done even with a higher TDP.

    And then there's simply the fact that time is money.
     
  10. Mineria

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    Both Intel as AMD are proven more than enough for server environment, so businesses will take what ever CPU that does the jobs it get's thrown at it in the most desirable way.
    Most companies are used to have both CPU's in their server racks anyway, since Intel does one thing better than AMD and visa versa, what ever that is in pure performance, cost effectivity or being best at something specific, not much place for fanboyism in that market.
     

  11. Mineria

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    You can't really look at it like that, regular consumers is not the same as server market where AMD always had a much larger role than what ended up in our PC's
     
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    You're saying that AMD has traditionally always been stronger in server market than in desktop?

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    Serious businesses don't take whatever does the job, before investing tons of money there are many deciding factors other than the enthusiasm about performance and specs on paper.
    Most companies don't have both, most companies run on Intel by a huge margin, as far as I know AMD is still and "experiment" in server business.
    And to be honest, coming up with a cinebench benchmark in this cpu class looks a bit childish, well fit for fanboysm and kids channel.

    It's great that they make progress and I do hope they come up with competitive products but they're still short pants (very) in the big business.
     
  14. Reddoguk

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    AMD is back baby. Well maybe if they had slightly better GPU's but for CPU's they are finally ahead on all fronts.

    Once we get an APU that has a powerful enough GPU like a 3060Ti then i bet it'll sell like hot cakes as people on a budget go with APU's instead of folking out for both.

    I don't know what the score is atm between Intel and AMD(Desktop CPU's). I mean Intel used to have a massive advantage over AMD but i doubt that now though.

    Maybe Steam could give us a better idea of the recent CPU gains and losses.
     
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  15. anticupidon

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    There was a time when Opterons were highly regarded in server - data centre space.
    Now they're back. What I would like is to see more ARM solutions developed and deployed.
    Old habits die hard.
     

  16. EspHack

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    this whole situation leaves me wondering if there could be a mechanism to prevent companies from going stagnant and tyrannical after securing a market, but if so, wouldnt that make it exponentially harder for a competitor like AMD to ever catch up? there's no easy solution to this

    I hope this doesnt mean another 10 years of $499 8 cores from AMD this time around
     
  17. Mineria

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    AMD is used a lot in the racks I have seen, mainly in blade units, the bigger storage and db servers mainly use Intel, so they do mix.
    I agree regarding the Cinebench benchmark though. :)
     
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    I very much doubt AMD will carry on pumping out 8 cores for very long. All along the Zen range we have seen core increases for the masses.

    They could make 5900X or 12 cores mainstream if they wanted but more likely is that newer gens will have 2 x 8 cores = 16 core 32 thread will be the norm in 2 or 3 years from now.
     

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