AMD Enmotus FuzeDrive for AMD Ryzen

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    AMD has teamed up with high-end server storage technology company Enmotus to bring advanced, intelligent storage acceleration to AMD Ryzen desktop processor owners, aka a storage cache....

    AMD Enmotus FuzeDrive for AMD Ryzen
     
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    Quite interesting idea if it really works. Some tests would be nice.
    Anyway so far i prefer to control it myself:)
     
  3. Clawedge

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    Its not free.

    Nothing to see here people. move along
     
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    It would be interesting to know if this technology supports RAID arrays.

    I imagine a RAID array (1 or 0 or 10) of 4 spinning harddisks from the Ryzen chipset, accelerated by an NVMe SSD.
    Or some RAID from a controller card (5, 6, 50, 60), accelerated by some PCIe NVMe SSD.

    It would cause real havoc if you combine some disks / SSDs to a single FuzeDrive and get a disk failure afterwards, resulting in your "single" FuzeDrive to immediately fail completely and loose all data.

    Does it support RAM integration into a FuzeDrive? Say you have 32GB+ RAM, would it be possible to take 16GB out of it to accelerate your FuzeDrive even more?

    Sounds nice so far ...
     

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    MMM........ Interesting.....
    my boot drive is Samsung 960 EVO 256 gb NVME,the other 2 drives are a Samsung 850 Pro SSD and a WD 1 TB Black for larger storage . i.e. my Steam Library :)
    think i'd rather keep control in house,ta very much!.
     
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    Okay, it looks nice, however I still prefer to organize my data between drives myself and keep them separate and under my control.
    Can't imagine what happens in case of a drive failure. Especially if the drive that fails is the small and fast one with some system boot files. I guess RIP Windows then...
     
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    So I looked it up and here are some excerpts from their FAQ (http://www.enmotus.com/amdfaq):

    What drive configurations do you support?
    SATA Hard Drive and SATA SSD (M.2 or SATA cable)
    NVMe SSD and SATA hard drive
    NVMe SSD and SATA SSD

    So as I understand it, only 2 drives can be Fuzed.

    What do I do If I am in RAID mode? How about IDE?
    RAID mode is not supported by the Enmotus software. The system will need to be converted to a standard AHCI SATA based bootable system before FuzeDrive can be installed and configured.

    Are there any plans to create a version of FuzeDrive that can support RAID or other forms of disk level redundancy?
    We are continuing to develop and enhance the FuzeDrive product and expect to add support for redundancy over the next year. Please check back regularly for updates.

    What does FuzeRAM do?
    FuzeRAM is an optional RAM Cache that uses 2GB of your systems DRAM as an additional caching layer on top of your FuzeDrive. It is intended for accelerating read intensive applications. FuzeRAM requires a minimum of 6GB of system DRAM. Results are highly dependent on your application and operating environment and you are encouraged to experiment by turning it on or off to see if it helps your particular environment. To see the immediate effect, you can also try benchmark applications such as CrystalMark, which can show the benefit with and without the RAM cache turned on or off. Note, you can freely turn the RAM cache on and off without rebooting your system.
     
  8. BLEH!

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    This seems like a really cool idea, but I'll want to see reliability before I invest.
     
  9. andlun

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    So it's a copy/paste of O&O Softwares CleverCache?
     
  10. RonanH

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    Interesting. For tech savy people who can manage their storage it's probably unnecessary. But the majority of people don't know the difference between RAM and HDD, it's all "memory" to them. You could create a nice fast system with an inexpensive 128GB SSD and a large HDD and they would never need to worry about running out of space for their cat videos.

    Reliability is the only question. You're doubling your chances of failure, similar to running raid 0.
     

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    1. It's benchmark has no data. What's the hard drive composition to have gains that high 4k rpm drives?
    2. Also, I'll need to see a youtube vid or something. The software sees the drives as 1 drive, but not on the user end right? Meaning it's not a software raid right, meaning if we unload/uninstall/disable fuzedrive, it wont wreck the system (i hope).
    3. Now it states that it's good for different type of drives. What if you have 3 ssd's at generally the same speed?
    4. Does it only speed up loading? What about in-game loading, not just the initial load?
     
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    These comments are sad. This is awesome in porential yet most are naysayers.

    Once loaded, why use (slow) storage at all? cos it wont fit in ram.

    what cant we afford now? ram.

    Blitzing storage is the next best thing, and with nvme raid, I do mean blitzing.

    The AI element has huge productivity enhancing potential.

    Load times for games would reduce a lot.
     
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    If you like your files randomly scrambled over multiple discs, with no chance of recovery without using this particular software, sure.
    Its basically just "smart" software raid with some fancy load balancing based on workloads, its not magic, and it sets itself up to be a single point of failure in the entire system. I'll gladly pass and just put my important things onto the faster SSDs by myself.
     
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    So when HDD fails you have to rely on your memory and guessing as to what files were there.
     
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    Its a press release, not a review.

    I too am curious as to backup implications.

    Its also possible it has elements of raid5, where devices cover each other's back and in fact improve security.

    let's wait and see. I used the word "potential" advisedly.

    I am not a bit surprised the "no one needs more than 4 cores" brigade are out in force, just depressed.
     

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    I've been using Primocache for a while for a multi-tier caching solution and it works quite well, will be interested to see this in action
     
  17. Neo Cyrus

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    No. When the HDD fails you're screwed and lose everything.
     
  18. sverek

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    It basically just creates whooping RAID 0 and hoping for the best.
    I don't think there will be drastic difference if I already have software that I want to load fast being on fast drives.
    And having all those disks in sync might have delays. I am not even mentioning it probably gonna open cache space on fast drives and move actual data on slow drives.

    Anyway seems like a great tool for lazy people who just dumps everything on single drive.

    The only "porential" I see is advertising.
    I love my comments sad. Brings marketing bullshit into perspective.

    What? You wanna put whole Blue Ray movie into RAM?

    You won't get more RAM. It basically just caches into SSDs. If you wanted software to load fast, you would already have it on SSD.

    !! Blitzkrieg!!

    Oh I love when marketing start using word "AI". Nothing like a fancy "AI" to show how cool software is. "3D" is too not cool anymore?
    edit: wait, there no AI in article. Stop spreading false info.

    But you can already load games fast if you install them on SSD! There no magic in FuzeDrive.
     
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  19. HoochieMamma

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    I can see the benefit to this if you say have a 256GB SSD and a 2TB HDD and join them together to have something like a WD hybrid drive for your games library without having to spend a ton on SSD.
     
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    I don't really see a benefit from it? Games still have to be read and moved into SSD to utilize speed. So if you want to play different game, it will pull it from HDD.
    Just put games frequently played games or that have long loading times on SSD and rest on HDD.
    There lots of tools to easily migrate your games between drives for Steam and other platforms.

    This way you fully utilize SSD speed and it always will be faster than caching hybrid solutions. Problem with hybrid is, games that doesn't have long loading times will still get into SSD and push out games that actually have problematic loading times.

    At least that how I see it.
     

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