AMD could be restructuring once more

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  1. southamptonfc

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    Ever heard of Lehman Brothers or Enron?

    There used to be a time when I would've bought AMD, I had a 9800xt, an X800, x1950. I should've bought an Althon, not a P4.

    Nowadays, I still believe AMD can offer good value for money but they aren't at the top of the curve anymore. I'm not surprised that they can't beat Intel but they have definitely underperformed vs Nvidia.
     
  2. Lane

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    Actually, if CUDA is still well in place, OpenCL is more and more used .. On performance side, AMD have the lead with their Pro GPU's and they have been so much involved lately on software developpement, than the wheel ( including for OpenGL ofc on particular professional software ) is slowly turning in their favor on this respect. ( Its needed to say that the last moves of Nvidia is really more helping AMD than Nvidia themselves ( a lot of complain start to emerges about some strange moves who are not really appreciated ).

    Ofc in term of marketshare, you are completely right, even if this is a completely different market.

    On ARM side, i dont think they are in competition with ARM, in reality AMD is working with both on ARM design since a long long time, and offer to ARM an unique chance, because today there's only a few IP designer for ARM servers CPU and professional market. ( let alone Qualcomm, that i dont think they provide any CPU for this market anyway ).


    They dont want enter the tablet, smartphone market, they are going for full server market... less profitable than the "consumer market" for smartphone / tablet chips, but way more interessant in term of position today and future in the HPC / server markets for them, specially with HSA, and all the possibility who can be declined by having the possibility to cover it completely ( CPU-GPUx86 and ARM64bit )... software stack wise, developpement, API, library.
     
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  3. xIcarus

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    You are right, they do have the performance crown on the pro market. The problem is that over there, we have a lot of multi-gpu workstations and they're generally not looking for the most powerful card, they generally look for the most efficient.

    I'm sorry I don't know what I was thinking when I said they would compete against qualcomm. I forgot the fact that they're aiming for the server market. I know hp has branches in this market, but I have no idea how they stack up. I will research this subject, I cannot make any educated guess right now.
     
  4. Denial

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    Oh my god. AMD isn't going anywhere. And even if they do it's not like they'll suddenly vanish. They'll spin off their different groups and sell them to other companies. Who knows maybe Intel would purchase their graphics division and compete with Nvidia directly.

    But no, they aren't going anywhere.
     

  5. Rich_Guy

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    AMDs GPU side is fine.
     
  6. Ryu5uzaku

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    Their cpu side is fine too tbh :D considering that the APUs are pretty damn good. Sure they do not have the fastest top of the line cpus but else it is fine.
     
  7. rl66

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    there is a lot of anouncement that is true, and some very gorgeous like the ARM opty, but in the real life it is hard right now to found some new AMD device.
    Lack of aviability for the pro card outside USA, while quadro and tesla are more easy to found and have quality granded since long time, and intel heavy marketing war machine for server are the main cause, despite i agree that Opty can be nice for most entry level/mainstream server (and price wise if you don't need upgrade regulary).

    by experience at work and verified each day since years... (and also the reason why we haven't feel the economical crysis and earn nice lol. )
     
  8. H83

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    More bad news for AMD. They have good products but their margins are much smaller than the ones of Intel and Nvidia so making money is proving to be very difficult and their bet on ARM is still to pay off.

    They really need a break or they face the risk of going down in the future, something that i hope it doesn´t happen.
     
  9. xIcarus

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    I agree. I may not like amd, but I really don't want to see them going down. Imagine the prices on them i7s if amd would be no more.
     
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    I wish it was still Ati :nerd: never liked it that Amd bought them.
     

  11. stevevnicks

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    personally I think AMD would be better off leaving the consumer market, work more in ARM and learn more on lower power devices, then maybe at some point later come back to consumer market with new tech with lower power cpu's ... but that's just my opinion.
     
  12. AvengerUK

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    If AMD ever goes then you can bet Nvidia will take us all for every penny.

    No one will benefit consumer wise if AMD demises.
     
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    I don't know who's more clueless - those saying AMD is finished,
    or those asking what's with the doom and gloom, and saying AMD is "fine"

    Because it's really THAT obvious that AMD is neither fine, nor finished.
    They have a huge battle in front of them, the outcome of which is impossible to predict with reasonable certainty.

    So called selling sand. But AMD is much more than that.
    And that's part of their problem - they are facing too many directions, with competition dwarfing them in every single one.
    And too few resources to remain competitive. Year after year, their R&D is dwindling down, while competition is stepping up.

    In good news: Their Pro graphics is finally starting to earn its place under the sun.
     
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    @Noisiv, totally agree..
     
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    games would run better for us if amd was outta picture i imagine, as the devs would only have to deal with us greens.
    i couldn't care less if they disappeared or not, if it pushed NVidia pricing through the roof i'd throw away my pc and look for something else to waste my time with.
     

  16. HonoredShadow

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    Just what I was thinking SLI-756. If AMD go and Nvidia puts prices up. I'm gone from PC. Maybe gone from modern gaming altogether.

    Will use the old machines and emulators. Plenty of games there.
     
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    lol. :D

    How's the asus swift working out for you btw honoredshadow? Qnix not good enough for you? :D
     
  18. sykozis

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    If AMD were to disappear from the graphics market, NVidia would have little or no reason to "innovate". They would essentially have complete control over the gaming and graphics industries. Also, we'd all see prices skyrocket.

    If AMD were to disappear from the CPU market, Intel would have little reason to "innovate" in the desktop/laptop market until ARM is ready to compete. We'd all see higher prices on desktop processors and pre-built systems. As people start to shift away from desktop and laptop PC's due to pricing, we'd see prices in the mobile market rise as well.

    As gamers abandon PC gaming due to price increases and shift towards consoles, we'd see prices in that market increase as well.

    Basically, there's no scenario where AMD's demise is actually good for consumers or the markets they're trying to compete in. For all those that "hate" AMD, you should really be thanking them. They're the ones that forced Intel to wake up and start putting out the processors so many of us have. They're also the ones pushing NVidia along. If NVidia had no competition there would be no reason for them to put so much effort into designing their next architecture.

    There's no "IF" to it. It's a guarantee. If NVidia is the only supplier of graphics chips capable for gaming, they can set the price at whatever level they want. If customers shift to another market they're involved in, they can force prices higher there as well. If trends shift to other markets due to unreachable prices in the current markets, those prices will increase as well. Do you really think all these companies try to price competitively just because it's the right thing to do? No, they do it because it's the only way to survive.
     
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    I knew the responses to my post would make me chuckle on the way him from work.
    Of course amd are not finished guys and no matter what nvidia release no matter how powerful or how much power it uses,amd will always be around, always.

    Hook, line, sinker and the fisherman I would say:banana:
    Thanks my friends.
     
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    Not finished but not in great shape either. They must be losing money on every 290 290x they are selling.
     

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