AMD Catalyst (Modified Build)

Discussion in 'Videocards - AMD Radeon Drivers Section' started by TwL, May 29, 2010.

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Should the Official INF be modified or not ?

Poll closed Jul 21, 2010.
  1. Yes (I want to go through registry and copy GUIDs to .reg file and add changes separately.)

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  2. No (Functions should be editable as usual in CCC straight after install.)

    25 vote(s)
    44.6%
  3. Both (I want to have official INF in install, separated modified INF & 'Functions.reg' as choice)

    26 vote(s)
    46.4%
  1. Von Dach

    Von Dach Master Guru

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    It's suppose to, personally I don't see difference, but the processing boost it give is awesome in BF:BC2, I move around like I've taken adrenaline pills. Those settings are my personal preference, you can change them at your will through.
     
  2. CorNeLL

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    hey Von Dach how does your driver compares against TwL's 4.24b in the performance department? I'm very tempted to install it but i wanna know which one has the best overall performance.
     
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  3. OPmind

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    I did not use your modded drivers... however, I did the dummy blb file replacement trick and I can confirm it works somehow. I get exactly the same benchmark results in DX and OGL with A.I. set to advanced but not getting the image inconsistency-microflickering-stuttering I used to get before replacing the blb file.
    I mean the min-avg-max fps is pretty much comparable, but the fps drops are either less frequent (wouldn't make much sense, though) or simply not noticable(smoother). Before I could clearly tell, when the fps was jumping up and down. Now it's like A.I. Adv. performance with A.I. off quality. It's cool for me, as I had to turn A.I. off (before this) to avoid migraine attacks.
    Every little thing helps.
    Good find Von Dach, Thank You :)
     
  4. Von Dach

    Von Dach Master Guru

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    Official and TwL will have higher fps because they have CAP and more balanced settings. Depending the games you play, they will also have jerkiness, fps drops, flickering, crash to desktop (CTD), stuttering, etc.

    My modded one is about fixing those issues, more visual candy and a feel of speed (fast processing) when you move around. But like OPmind did, it's all editable.

    Most issue fixed by removing CAP
    Fast processing feel: Catalyst AI Advanced
    Additional jerkiness and CTD for CrossFireX (CFX) fixed by disabling Powerplay settings.

    fps is not everything. CAP to boost fps is dirty tricks, if they reveal to the world what they've done, we will probably see they crossed the streams like in Ghostbuster... It's bad!
     

  5. CorNeLL

    CorNeLL Master Guru

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    Could you provide me the link to download your latest driver? i'm gonna give them a try.
     
  6. Von Dach

    Von Dach Master Guru

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    Lol, the answer is NO! You'll have to find it, and it's really hard! :rolleyes:

    (... really it's a pity http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=331759)
     
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    Oh you have a thread for it i didn't saw it sorry, and thanks for the link.
     
  8. Touche

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    Does this mean that the card allways stays at 3D clocks, even when idle in Windows?

    Does it help for single card setups or is it for CFX only?
     
  9. Von Dach

    Von Dach Master Guru

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    I didn't investigate it much, because I personally don't care about them staying in 3D clocks all the time because in 2D the load is very small, so no matter what, energy comsuption is small.

    But from the CCC option (when shown), they label it as "Disable ATI CrossFireX power settings). So I suppose it only affect CFX, someone should check that with MSI Afterburner. It all depend what EnableUlps do to the driver coding. I'll do my own investigation on that later, when I have more time.
     
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  10. MadelineX

    MadelineX Master Guru

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  11. Von Dach

    Von Dach Master Guru

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    I tested it too with FurMark Multi-GPU, they still downclock in 2D. So this feature is very well implanted, fix CFX jerkiness and random crash to desktop I get in L4D2.
     
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    What does it do then in CFX, if 2D/3D clocks aren't affected? I'm trying to figure out what it does that it causes jerkiness.
     
  13. xodius80

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    yeah tis all gud, that, the second card is at those clocks wen powerplay is disabled

    The power play feature in crossfire DISABLES the sencond card to 0mhz operation.

    IF power play function is disable it will allways make the second card active BUT wen in 2d mode (desktop operations) will stay at those clocks.

    IN other words to not make it confusing:

    IF POWER PLAY: second card is at 0mhz disabled in desktop, some games wont activate at full speed in 3d apps

    IF POWER PLAY DISABLED : sencond card active, low 2d clocks at desktop, and full speed at 3d clock (games, 3d apps etc)
     
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  14. Von Dach

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    Seem to affect the way multi-gpu synchronize rendering between each others. Without EnableUlps enabled, second to fouth gpu may go in lower power states in 3D, affecting synchronization with primary card, that's my understanding.

    Edit: xodius80 have it all.
     
  15. TwL

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    It's actually profiled command give > not understood by driver = Error > Error Correction > display --- and this chain slows down the processing and when
    the error correction cannot keep up and stresses the core too much you see these malformed effects. More there is OC in the concept more stiff the correction comes and so on.

    Ideally this would be corrected by processing faster through as I've done here probably million times. The 'no profiles dummy' would result not redirected on
    CFX and not adjusted threading to GPU. Yes, it would as seem smoother looking result, but it does terrible job when we do multithreading and true
    pressure over 2 GPUs or with CPU intensive games which uses more than 2 GPUs. Unless the game actually understand to calculate through OCL or such like PhysX/CUDA.

    2 cents
     
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  16. Von Dach

    Von Dach Master Guru

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    I have read that, I'll do some tests later and report back. But like most people I just want issues free gameplay first, performance but not at the cost of quality second. 163 fps in BC2 with jerkiness, fps drops and flickering? Random crash to desktop and hiccup in L4D2? Well I prefer my 143 fps BC2 issues free solution for the moment. Bonus it feel like I have 200 fps. And you know that if you come with something better I'll be the first one to applause and take it.

    Edit: [​IMG]

    I have done a lot of tests with FurMark Multi-GPU, modded driver default, +CAP, ULPS off, etc. The graphs are always like above, I can only suppose FurMark is not profiled but I can see a faint jerkiness when Powerplay is on, scores & fps stay the same. (My 4890 is not maxed out, that's normal, she wait for the 4850)
     
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  17. alkhazali

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    Hi Von Dach,

    is your mod only for Win7?

    Well I guess it's for Vista too, so I wonder why it didn't ask me for reboot on the end and why when I reboot manually I have still Standard VGA Display Adapter and CCC not started.
     
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  18. Von Dach

    Von Dach Master Guru

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    10.10d is Win7 only, so mine too. I uninstalled it for something else and I have the same problem than you now, can't reinstall, I'm working to fix that.
     
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    Is this the reason that MSI lists gpu 2 around 5-8 precent behind gpu 1? It's not consistently and not with every game, but seem particular finicky with BFBC2 and few other titles.
     
  20. Von Dach

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    I'm not technical enough to answer you, all I know is that EnableUlps remove CFX jerkiness and random crash to desktop that I get in L4D2 CFX mode.
     
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