AMD Catalyst (Modified Build)

Discussion in 'Videocards - AMD Radeon Drivers Section' started by TwL, May 29, 2010.

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Should the Official INF be modified or not ?

Poll closed Jul 21, 2010.
  1. Yes (I want to go through registry and copy GUIDs to .reg file and add changes separately.)

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    8.9%
  2. No (Functions should be editable as usual in CCC straight after install.)

    25 vote(s)
    44.6%
  3. Both (I want to have official INF in install, separated modified INF & 'Functions.reg' as choice)

    26 vote(s)
    46.4%
  1. Von Dach

    Von Dach Master Guru

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    BF:BC2 Fraps Tests
    
    ATI Official 10.9a Hotfix
    Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
      9056,     60000, 113, 201, 150.933
    
    genetix_eye470b-x64
    Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
      9945,     60000, 121, 201, 165.750
    
    genetix_exp421a-x64 (4890 single card, CFX disabled)
    Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
      7788,     60000, 101, 172, 129.800
    
    genetix_exp421a-x64
    Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
      9906,     60000, 126, 201, 165.100
    
    genetix_exp421b-x64
    Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
      9940,     60000, 127, 201, 165.667
    
    genetix_exp421c-x64
    Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
      9448,     60000, 119, 201, 157.467
    
    genetix_expWhore-x64 (you know what I mean)
    Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
      9840,    60000, 122, 201, 164.000
    
    All have the screen flickering black bars in BC2 Valparaiso map (some maps have no flickering) except official 10.9a and your genetix_hd34v108-x64 (10.5a based). I disabled CrossFireX with genetix_exp421a-x64 and the flickering stopped. I know genetix_exp421 are not for HD4xxx CFX but i'm still a drivers whore. :pipe:
     
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  2. TwL

    TwL Ancient Guru

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    @Von Dach

    Well, not an perfect. ATI driver team is still taking me to school on their newest ones a bit, but not long and I get the primary Final Builds in 'fraps' ;P
     
  3. mercury_22

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  4. r0sWell

    r0sWell Member

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    for the moment i use the 4.20 driver, works very well.
    i think they're a little more stable with OC too (don't know if you can confirm that point ?)


    i have a question, @TwL :

    with your latest drivers, can we install the 'problematic' MS updates ?
    or is it better to not install them like with drivers 3.9x ?
    (i mean : KB2032276, KB2160329, KB2286198, KB2347290)

    :eyes:
     

  5. VIPet

    VIPet New Member

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    The instruction on modification of drivers that they didn't check adapter type (a sound goes even through a cable dvi2hdmi) how to get and install the modified driver equally both for Vista and for ХР therefore this moment two times I will not describe (a unique difference for ХР the driver is called ati2mtag.sys for whists atikmdag.sys, therefore for whists there will be only an information as to search and on what to change, remaining also as well as for ХР)
    Modification of the driver for ХР 32 bits
    1) To begin with we pull out the driver ati2mtag.sys from windows\system32\drivers if the driver is already installed or it is possible to take from the distribution kit catalist, having launched setting Catalist having waited its unpackings and then to cancel install and in a folder where Catalist was unpacked we search for a file ati2mtag.sy_ is unpacked by its command expand ati2mtag.sy_ ati2mtag.sys and the unpacked driver is received.
    Further we download what or HEX the editor (for example WinHEX) and we load in it of fire wood (ati2mtag.sys) there search we search
    2) a following combination byte
    8BFF558BEC83EC14568B750C85F674
    The following byte after 74 is reduced by two i.e. if there there was 24 that inscribed 22 (consider that here HEX system of numeration and 20-2 at all 18, and 1Е)
    After have made this change we look hardly further on the code and the byte (it there will be very much nearby) is found a following combination
    FFFFFF85C0

    After 85С0 it is replaced following 4 bytes on 33С04090

    3) after that it is saved the changed file is swung this aaplet msigner launched it there just changed file is opened and we speak sign after that the driver is ready to the use
    To install it it is possible or having thrown in the distribution kit catalist beforehand having erased there ati2mtag.sy_ and then to reinstall каталист or to boot from other system or LiveCD and to replace with it that that is in windows\system32\drivers and in windows\system32\dllcache after the given manipulations all should earn with any adapter dvi2hdmi
    Modification for Vista 32-bit
    1st and 3rd points as well as for ХР except for a title of a file of the driver
    2) search we search for a following combination byte
    8BFF558BEC83EC14568B750C85F6
    Following 4 bytes it is replaced on
    33C04090 also it is saved patch the driver.
    You can find the driver in this post which completely is disaccustomed to check of type of an explorer and the sound will go through any even not native adapter
    The link for VistaX32 http://forum.radeon.ru/viewtopic.php?p=530691#530691
    The link for ХРx32 http://forum.radeon.ru/viewtopic.php?p=531248#531248
    The link for Vista/Windows7 x64 http://forum.radeon.ru/viewtopic.php?p=574620#574620

    It is the instruction works to catalist 9.9. I couldn't find the described combination in new versions of drivers byte.
     
  6. VIPet

    VIPet New Member

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    In old versions of drivers on procedure sub_1B9B12 on its input goes ID an adapter from 3000th series and still what dial-up of parameters on an output it gives 0 if the adapter isn't present or it not native, 1 if an adapter correct and 2 if adapter ATI, but not from that series I its beginning patch here so.
    That is it anyway produces at once 1 on an output. This procedure is caused 4 times on all file on xref to view not difficult. I on it have quitted starting to look that for procedures use rigidly prohand-written ID an adapter.
    I hope you will understand an electronic translator. ((
     
  7. boerenlater

    boerenlater Master Guru

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    Gonna try v4.21a, I'll let any feedback know.
     
  8. perosmct

    perosmct Banned

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    is 470b, better than amd's 10.9a...??? or i should wait for something else coming next..??
     
  9. junior_clk

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    Twl: Should I use for a 4870x2 the single card version or the CFX version (1 monitor)
     
  10. TwL

    TwL Ancient Guru

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    This could be on the HD4. Since all testing here and people are still saying
    that v1.00/1.08 works better than the new, but I though 10.8b/10.9a were here to solve these issues on HD4 cards. :3eyes:

    Yes you can, but do so in system state that there is no graphic driver in the system. Update Normal June 2010 DirectX first and then update > reboot > and then install the drivers would be ideal scenario.

    I did read this now twice, but I am having a bit hard time to understand the english, but...

    As far I now understood someone on radeon ru was able to pull down an hack that radeon drivers doesn't check display adapter type then unmask it and then
    used it in new installation. So, issues is at driver level and it would need me to find/mask the new code from CCC 10.5-10.9.

    Well, the good news is v9.9 (IF this is the driver v9.4 as the amdkmdag9.4.rar 'Windows 7' states is not same deal) is still on 'new' driver series. So, it is certainly possible. If I can understand what codepath this 'radeon.ru' fellow changed in
    the code I can sure trace it to 'new drivers'. Drivers haven't changed 1 byte since 10.4 WHQL, but it's gonna take some time until I take this matter on
    testing. Plus I am missing needed equipment to test functionality. So, would have to setup some new display setups here to even begin with.

    Will, try on some point need to take a look myself on the actual file and needs testing.

    It's tested against HD5 QuadFireX EyeFinity should be just fine.

    Can't understand your view/attitude here. Hell, it's 5 minutes for you to reboot couple times and test while several days for me to build plus took 3 days to test it.

    Hell, use the official drivers, if you feel like it's too much for you.

    No, You should choose either between Final Build v4.70b or Experimental version couple pages back v4.21a-b. Depending a bit what you are playing DX10 edition of BF:BC2 for example would be best with 4.21b for the moment.

    @commonly

    * Added ATI Official website link on first page. Decided that why not have it there anyway behind my modded builds. Nice to have all options on same page.

    Will, not be building fixes for the moment. So, current ones are what we heve to work with for as long as I get the v4.20b and v4.70a updated next.
     
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  11. maxstep

    maxstep Member Guru

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    TwL you are doing an immense work to help us enthusiasts. Hats off to the master <3
     
  12. mmsandi

    mmsandi Master Guru

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    4.70b doesn't play nice with bioshock 2 and mafia 2 ..I had three times 'game stopped working' so far ..never had that before with those two games
     
  13. DualCORE1

    DualCORE1 Master Guru

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    just been playing worms had fraps running which showed 30fps with 4.21b shows 60fps with 10.5a installed weird that worms frame rates halfed with 4.21b drivers
     
  14. FDisk

    FDisk Master Guru

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  15. TwL

    TwL Ancient Guru

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    Best would be v4.21b in here. It would do better job on DX10 over the top build as the Final builds are using redirector for DirectX 10 and 11(in windowed mode).

    The 4.70b will need a bit work. It will jump a bit as there's no processing fix like 4.20 there's none.

    lol, these games runs like in 386 DX2. ;P

    Who needs to end GPU driver to play Team 17 coding, lol ?

    As for 'half' now that depends are the effects you are applying correctly applied. When they are not the higher limit of 60FPS hits in. In my drivers I
    will not go same path as AMD/ATI driver team. I know in every pass every single AA/AF effect are applied. In another words I don't cheat in effects.

    Good example:

    * v4.21a/b build > clean processing + Effects + Draw against any new v10.8/10.9 driver

    Game Batman AA - Official:
    * Edge AA x4 + AF 16x(HQ) + VSYNC the effect speed will maintain in 60FPS = they are applying the effects incorrectly (+ they are utilizing DVA in rendering to cheap up the result and profiling that to gain speed) = there is no way in this world an single HD5850 will allow 60FPS, if the AF/AA are applied correctly.

    Game Batman AA - v4.21a/b:
    * Edge AA x4 + AF 16x(HQ) + VSYNC the efffect speed will drop to 30FPS by VSYNC = I am applying the effects correctly AF & AA are applied with or without VSYNC and DVA will (hopefully) be not used as base to boost the gaming experience. FPS will even go slower because 12x AA + full truly applied AF are with you.
     
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  16. Hoodwink

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    I don't know if it's the new clean up, these 4.21's or good old fashioned placebo but my desktop now feels more snappy and responsive.
     
  17. Von Dach

    Von Dach Master Guru

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    Played BF:BC2 a bit today with official 10.9a, the driver have no CFX flickering but a lot of fps drops, so your v1.08 is still the king for HD4xxx CFX.
     
  18. TwL

    TwL Ancient Guru

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    Well, if your desktop has ActiveX components(Like Flash Gadgets) on previous build those were not cleaned. Now they are.

    Other than that there's not really any 'new' entries our good old clean-up was up to perfection. (-1 MUI file, but I'll forgive myself on this one as it's only
    system language releated and under system language path). :pc1:

    Yeah, there's till on HD4 CFX something really weird. I mean ATI build SPECIFICALLY for HD4 CFX builds v10.8b and v10.9a and neither of them
    works as supposed hell I've even seen some people reporting that it still doesn't scale and on 10.9a again we have another powerplay issue.

    Looks like we are still stuck with 10.5a core, but then again good news is ATI haven't done anything to actual driver since part 6 months. So, that can be
    exactly as fast (hell even faster on some cases) than new 10.8/10.9 CCC editions. I think I just need to take the 10.5a back under microscope, but hell
    I though they fixed the 10.9a on this guess not then.

    The flickering is process based and I think I know how to fix it while at it, but will not build drivers today have some other crap on my table.
     
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    Hey all.
    This is the first time I heard of these TWL drivers.

    Im wondering , I get slow fps on IL2 Sturmovik 1946(around 40 FPS , but when a bomb goes off, or something that makes smoke it will go down to 20 , but sometimes with alot of bombs/smoke to around 2FPS) , will these drivers fix that problem ?

    I got a HD 5770 , and should be easily get more than 40 FPS on a 4 year old game.

    If they dont do anything for that , then what do they do ?

    Note* The game is OpenGL.
    I am also going to also try these Xtreme-G 10.8 drivers.
    Any comment on those ?

    Thanks.
     
  20. TwL

    TwL Ancient Guru

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    Xtreme-G 10.8 is quite nice driver, but it won't help you, if current drivers will give a problem. Game is, if I understand Google correctly an DirectX 9 game. OpenGL?

    anyway, if it's really an OpenGL game and current drivers brings problems I doubt that any of the current builds would help, but as far I checked AMD forums etc on v9.6 old CCC editions this game is really old so you might wanna try my 'OpenGL Switcher' from first page and test what the 10.4b 3.3 OGL patching would do or even the older OpenGL 3.2 (you can use that with any driver, but restoration will not restore back same OpenGL you had).

    The good news is, if you can find an functional CCC edition you can copy those OpenGL DLL files directly in to the game binary folder (the place where game EXE is) the ATI OpenGL files and let your system use the 'new' OpenGL files.
     
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