AMD Catalyst 15.15 (Official Radeon 300 Launch Driver)

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  1. sammarbella

    sammarbella Ancient Guru

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    You should already be used to this, AMD is like Adidas:"Impossible is nothing!"

    It seemed impossible that a regedit values mod can magically add an "harware scaler" for old GPUs to get VSR.

    The use of old drivers by the AMD new 390(X) "hardware" doesn't seem so impossible or impressive.

    The people flashing 390X firmwares on their 290X are doing what is also considered impossible.

    AMD internal name for "Grenada" during development was "Hawaii refresh" so we can name the old 290(X) with new bios: "Hawaii reflash".

    LOL
     
  2. PrMinisterGR

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    So wait. In the HardOCP article they perform within 1fps when clocked the same (although they don't give frametimes, which is usually the tell between the two forks of the AMD driver). The guys from the Digital Foundry say that they perform exactly the same with the same drivers at the same clocks.

    The 290x open source driver works out of the box with the 390x, and it plays Steam games. What is the logical conclusion of this mental trip we just had? :infinity:



    I don't know if the Fury is GCN 1.3, but it is at least GCN 1.2.1. It has extra L2, extra instructions, and a new video engine.



    They use the "Generation" nomenclature on their developer documentation.


    The title of this thread is very clear. What you want to say is not. If you believe that they indeed are rebranded Hawaii, then where is the difference from what I say? Unless you say that restricting the newer drivers is not the reason for the speed differences between the 300 series and the 200 series, while they clearly are as the hardware is identical.

    Fair enough. The Digital Foundry review is quite clear that the 290x performs much worse without the new driver. Everyone in here in the drivers forum has seen numbers and tested drivers that are from the branch that AMD is only releasing for the 300 series, and those drivers are more efficient, have higher framerates and consistently lower frame times.
    The scumm part is where they artificially limit them on the "new" 300 series (that even has Pitcairn in), so that their rebrands will appear much faster than what they actually are during the reviews period.
    I can't be more clear than that.
     
  3. kn00tcn

    kn00tcn Ancient Guru

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    was DF using a reference 290? that is, are they sure the gpu is fixed clocks?

    [​IMG]

    edit: this is regarding the screenshot on the modded 15.15 driver, NOT 15.5, where the 290x still didnt catch up to 390x

    edit2: i am also concerned about separate drivers, but this isnt new, almost every amd launch has had a separate branch until they merge a few weeks to months later, it's just getting messy now with win10 launch

    are the slower 3 series available or with reviews yet?
     
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  4. PrMinisterGR

    PrMinisterGR Ancient Guru

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    I don't believe they say, but still they mention more than once that the performance of the cards was identical, so it sounds like they didn't have clock fluctuation in both.

    If they presented anything really different hardware-wise, the driver separation would be understood. But the drivers they launched only for the 300 series, are basically running on everything from the 5000 series up since January.

    As for the cards, at least the 380 is widely available as it looks like.
     

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    Again, HardOCP are not using the same drivers on the two cards, digitalfoundry are.

    They both say that the cards perform same at same clocks.

    Yet digitalfoundry claim performance improvement for 290X while in their own benchmarks it is beaten often by way more than the core clockspeed increase.

    Anyway, using both of them at the same time is wrong.

    Well you wouldn't be having this problem if you bothered to read. I just don't like spoon feeding.

    Then don't muddy the waters without reading something before using it as your infallible proof. I can't be more clear than that.
     
  6. PrMinisterGR

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    Perfect. So, what exactly are you saying on the subject?
     
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    You're ignorant for one and obstinate enough for two.
     
  8. kn00tcn

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    *popcorn*

    let's bug review sites to use the modded driver, eventually there will be a test with the same hawaii clocks, same driver, same OS, 290x non reference vs 390x non reference

    as a bonus, such a review site would already have numbers of the slower 14.x branch

    or a regular user with money...
     
  9. sammarbella

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    And same amount of VRAM...

    There are at least two sets of candidates available for this versus:

    - Sapphire: Tri-X R9 290X 8G vs Tri-X R9 390X 8G

    - MSI: 290X Gaming 8 GB vs 390X Gaming 8 GB
     
  10. PrMinisterGR

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    You can say whatever you want for me personally, I don't really care. Seriously though, what exactly are you saying? Are you saying that the 390x has a different GPU? Are you saying that the driver performance is not enough? What is your angle on the thread?

    That might be a good idea for Guru3D I believe. The thing is that apart from AMD's Twitter microcosm and some fanboys, all websites treat the "new" cards as rebrands, so nobody will waste the time to prove what everybody already knows. The real issue I believe was more on the intentional skewing of the differences between the old and the new, by artificially withholding the driver. And whoever makes that, should be prepared for a hardware embargo from AMD. Nobody will, unless a user does it.

    These look reasonable. No review site will run it for the above reasons.

    EDIT: No big review site will run it for at least two months after the rebrands are being sold.
     

  11. Krelianz

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    that you are making cry his fanboy heart.
     
  12. tarot

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    irrelevant
    cards are refreshes
    better ram better binned everyone knows they are pretty much the same thing.
    the problem is the pricing....they need to drop the price by a fair chunk to make it value....do that and then they will be worth it
    if I still had a 290x or 290 I really would not bother.
    if you are coming up from a bubby card...still would not bother until they drop the costs, the 970 at that middle price point is still better value.
     
  13. theoneofgod

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    290x is cheaper. Get that.
     
  14. oGow89

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    Actually i would choose an r9 390 with 8 gb which is at the same price point and delivers an equal performance over a crippled card anytime of the day. You can see that some games are badly optimized and 3.5 gb vram might become an issue in less than a year even at 1080p. Not everyone can buy a card every 6 months or every year. Now if you have an r9 290, just oc it to the r9 390 level and there you have same exact fps numbers. Why is the 970 a better value? I think the 970 and 980 at their price point are overpriced and not really competitive specially for those that want to crossfire or sli at 4k.
     
  15. theoneofgod

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    Buy the 4GB 290x. Cheaper than the 390, more powerful too.
     

  16. oGow89

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    I have an r9 290 already, i ain't buying any gpu any time soon.
     
  17. theoneofgod

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    No I meant instead of the 970, here anyway, not you :)
     
  18. Ryu5uzaku

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    I came to the point where I am going to order 80€ cooler that keeps my 290x at maximum 80 while overclocked to 1100/6000 (no point spending cash for marginal increase when in reality next year will bring bit better increases)... :D That would be more then 390x performance since that 2xx card is clocked only at 1050. Or maybe oc a bit more to 1150 why not. @1200 it would match 980 @ 1300. While leaving that 970 to dust even with 1500 overclock.
     
  19. Romulus_ut3

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    The GTX 970 has triumphed over the R9 290 and the R9 290X in so many titles, even at a resolution of 4K despite having 3.5 GB of video ram, it's not even funny. If you want to play games immediately after release instead of spending a whole week fiddling around with drivers and tweaks, and also want your hardware to be cost and power efficient, please get the GTX 970. A Gigabyte G1 GTX 970 or the Zotac GTX 970 AMP would be a good choice. And here's one simple logic to keep in mind: if AMD sponsors a title, no developer is going to purposefuly cripple nvidia's performance and shoot themselves on the foot, because nvidia is the majority. Whatever implementation of middleware a developer chooses to implement should be none of the concerns of the end user even if it is responsible for causing problems on a specific hardware vendor.
     
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  20. theoneofgod

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    The 290x can be bought here for about £50/60 less which makes the 970 out of the scenario for me.
     

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