AMD Catalyst 15.15 (Official Radeon 300 Launch Driver)

Discussion in 'Videocards - AMD Radeon Drivers Section' started by d2kx, Jun 16, 2015.

  1. theoneofgod

    theoneofgod Ancient Guru

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    I admit I was only looking at Far Cry 4 benchmarks as linked earlier in the thread. I checked out other games and I can see the differences. I stand corrected.
     
  2. DmitryKo

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    This is a sale price, supply of 200 series will not last long since they are not in production anymore. AMD reportedly postponed 300 series from early Spring to Summer and lowered the MSRP to let the dealers clear their existing stock.

    The performance difference gained by a better driver is 2-3%. No-one in their sane mind will make an informed purchase decision based on this kind of difference - most people who are into upgrading their video cards are looking to at least double the performance. They won't trade their existing R9 290X for a R9 390X just because the latter has a higher number in the name.

    Enthusiasts who upgrade make less than 5%. I dare you to try and prove me otherwise if you doubt this nubmer.

    The remaining 95% of users just never upgrade anything during the lifetime of their PCs - they either keep the OEM video card installed by their vendor, or they use a notebook with integrated Intel graphics.

    This doesn't invalidate any single argument I was making. Most people purchase ready-built PCs and some of them spend additional extra on a good discrete graphics card, but then they very rarely upgrade individual components or upgrade the OS. They'd rather treat their PC like an appliance which gets replaced once in a while.

    There are multiple articles reporting the state of graphics driver development inside AMD and there are confessions by AMD management about the same. Whatever amount they spend is irrelevant, since they were unable to put their existing engineering resources to good use. Hope this would change soon.

    I stand corrected. However AMD still assumes that Grenada is a new chip revision with an improved power management block and a fine-tuned memory controller, not just a renamed Hawaii.
     
  3. Krelianz

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    the excuses and bullsh*t are strong with this one.
     
  4. DmitryKo

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    go on make more excuses, "bu bu bu, they are selling the same cards rebranded for higher price because the r9 200 supply won't last!!!!"

    rofl.

    Also i dare you to prove your bull**** numbers are real. All your post contains made up numbers by a moron, so i am sorry but that is not evidence.
     
  6. theoneofgod

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    Using this logic. 95% of people that buy GPU's don't have a clue they're rebrands.
     
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  7. Krelianz

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    he makes a number and asks others to prove him wrong when he doesn't provide any evidence to support his numbers, stupid guy has never heard of burden of proof, but what can you expect froma moron whose argument revolves about made up numbers.
     
  8. MaxBlade

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    "The remaining 95% of users just never upgrade anything during the lifetime of their PCs -"

    haha loved this.. I'll take "Wild Guess's" for a 100 Alex
     
  9. PrMinisterGR

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    If you see the sales numbers since Holidays 2014-now, AMD had a huge plummet in GPU sales since NVIDIA presented their 900 series. Their total revenue went down almost 20% between Q3 and Q4 2014, and a further 20% in Q1 2015. What happened then was the 900 series. What that means is that they have a ton of unsold Hawaii. What do you do about your unsold Hawaii? You take your good memory partner Hynix who wants to switch to HBM and DDR4 and has a ****load of stock of GDDR5, and you make them an offer to get that memory stock off their hands in exchange for your HBM patents, at the same prices as you were getting the cheaper Elpida memory.
    Thus the 390x is born. 8GB of Hynix hi-speed VRAM and Hawaii with a different bios. There is NOTHING changed in the chip, literally nothing. People with Elpida memory 290x are running the 390x bios.

    No, you are wrong.
    The whole difference is in the driver, and then maybe on the extra speed on the memory.
    First of all, you are the one who pulls numbers out of his ass. I linked the Steam hardware survey that showed that 80% of the Steam user base (which is larger than 100 million since last year) has discreet GPUs.
    NVIDIA's whole business is selling discreet GPUs as upgrades. Look at the NVIDIA sales numbers from Q1 2015.
    NVIDIA's whole growth pattern is based on people who upgrade the same way that you say they don't. They expect a good percentage of 10 million users to make the jump in three months alone. Next time, please bring some actual numbers if you have them, and don't try to generalize the situation you see around you. The world is a big place.

    A multi-billion dollar company growing like crazy by doing exactly what you believe doesn't happen, invalidates all the arguments you are making.

    The only article I've seen was from Valve's Rich Geldreich about the state of the OpenGL drivers from all vendors, a couple of years ago. After that nothing really. If you have any links, please share. I haven't seen any kind of confession from AMD about the state of their driver anywhere.

    That they do, because otherwise they would have to be called rebadges, and that would hamper their sales, and we wouldn't be having this conversation, like we didn't for the 280x. The bios modification thread we have here proves that the famous marketing-speak for "power management block", is the tuned bios of the card and nothing more. Power consumption figures are spot on for overclocked Hawaii, performance the same. Why are we even arguing this? At least you don't change the subject like TheMac did, who took it from having Hawaii with a different name, to the amazing differences of producing the exact same thing in a slightly altered way, and how that (philosophically I guess), made it a new product.
     
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    You're using HardOCP's review to make a case when they are not using the hacked drivers, and digitalfoundry, who are using it, find >10% improvement in many cases with just a 10% core overclock on the 390X compared to 290X.
     

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    HardOCP is testing with the same driver and frequencies, and found no difference. Same exactly with the Digital Foundry.
     
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    This should be sticked here on main AMD page...with title such as "The most important thing that you should know about 300 series"...written in red colored text with big font size. XD
     
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    That's just speculation, but the facts of the performance and the deals we know, seems to back it up, and it looks like the most logical one.
     
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    As my favorite fictional character mr. Sherlock Holmes once said, "The world is full of obvious things which nobody by any chance ever observes" :)
     
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    Where do they say that? They mention this in their test setup,

    And if you look up 285's reviews, it performs the same as 280 at same clockspeeds in most games.
     

  16. PrMinisterGR

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    You need to actually read the review, or at least the index before you tell me that I can't read it myself. There is a specific page in the review called "Clock vs Clock, Apples-to-Apples". There they specifically mention:

    I have quoted and linked that specific page 100-****ing times. No, the 285 doesn't perform like the 280 at all. In bandwidth hungry tests it is slower, and in tessellation heavy tests it is much faster.
     
  17. gamervivek

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    I don't care if they think the architecture is the same, where do they say they are using the same driver for both 390X and 290X like digitalfoundry do with the hacked one?

    They don't. You do actually need to read the review, or at least the part I quoted and was also quoted on the previous page.
     
  18. sammarbella

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    If you dare to post this quotes from HardOCP in the "390 and 390X aren't rebadges" thread the resident AMD fanatic fanboys will run to get a rope to hang you...

    ...After denying the validity of the source of course!

    LOL
     
  19. PrMinisterGR

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    Wait. Let's take the case that they didn't use the same driver. So, even with the 390x supposedly using the newer drivers that everything has an improvement with and the 290x using the older ones, the cards perform identically at the same clocks. What does that tell you? :nerd:

    They also specifically mention (as any other serious website like Guru3D, Anand etc), that the chip is the same. But I guess that doesn't matter either. :nerd:

    Coincidentally that is exactly what the Digital Foundry guys say. And the same that the guys in the bios thread in the forum say. AMD themeselves are listing it as GCN 1.1 with the same details and guidelines as for Hawaii.

    But wait, there is more! The 390x works with the exact same open source driver as the 290x does! Devilish devils! How did they manage that sorcery! They even play Steam games by doing a standard library workaround because Steam on Linux doesn't recognize the name string of the card yet!
     
  20. gamervivek

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    That you're wrong, quite wrong. And fwiw, it's not a case but what has happened.

    They also mention a GCN1.3 for Fury. And yes it doesn't matter what they claim, won't be the first time that they're wrong like with the recent macbook cape verde fiasco.

    DigitalFoundry are getting upto 20% performance improvement with a 10% core overclock using the same driver, though hacked. As for AMD, listing it as GCN1.1 when Dave Baumann doesn't use that nomenclature?

    You don't seem to understand, you think that my intentions are to prove that it isn't a rebranded Hawaii while it's something quite different.

    HardOCP are using the old driver on 290X in their review. So you're wrong when you at the same time claim driver improvements which are withheld from 290X while using the same review to claim architectural similarity/sameness between the two cards. You need something better than that, after reading the review of course.

    I hope that is perfectly clear now.
     

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