AMD Catalyst 12.6 BETA (8.97.100.3 July 3) AMD Legacy Driver

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  1. asder00

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    AMD has moved to the AMD Radeon™ HD 2000, AMD Radeon HD 3000, and AMD Radeon HD 4000 Series new driver support model. These updates will focus on resolving application specific issues and critical updates. The reason for the shift in support policy is largely due to the fact that the AMD Radeon HD 2000, AMD Radeon HD 3000, and AMD Radeon HD 4000 Series have been optimized to their maximum potential from a performance and feature perspective.

    CERT recently approached AMD with information pertaining to what they believed to be a possible video driver vulnerability exposed by non-default settings of the Microsoft® Enhanced Mitigation Experience Toolkit (EMET). EMET is a security test tool that allows system administrators to create test conditions to validate correct behavior of system components or indicate potential weak points. The presence of an issue does not necessarily mean that this issue can be exploited in regular operation of a system. The default safety settings of the EMET do not cause the issue in question to occur.

    The AMD Catalyst 12.6 beta driver for the AMD Radeon HD 2000, AMD Radeon HD 3000, and AMD Radeon HD 4000 Series is designed to resolve a possible video driver vulnerability issue and to minimize the occurrence of system crashes.

    Build Info:
    DriverVer=07/03/2012, 8.970.100.3000
    8.97.100.3-120703a-142008E-ATI

    Supported Cards:
    AMD9598.1 = "ATI All-in-Wonder HD"
    AMD94C1.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 Pro"
    AMD94C3.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO"
    AMD94C1.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT"
    AMD9400.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 2900 PRO"
    AMD9400.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT"
    AMD9581.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series"
    AMD9501.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 3690"
    AMD9505.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 3690"
    AMD9505.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 3850"
    AMD9501.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 3870"
    AMD94C3.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 2350 Series"
    AMD94C3.3 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400"
    AMD94C1.3 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 Pro"
    AMD94C3.4 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO"
    AMD94C3.5 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO"
    AMD94C1.4 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT"
    AMD9598.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 4570"
    AMD9505.3 = "ATI Radeon HD 4730"
    AMD944A.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series"
    AMD9598.3 = "HD3730"
    AMD94C3.6 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO"
    AMD94C3.7 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO"
    AMD94C1.5 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT"
    AMD94C3.8 = "ATI Radeon HD 3410"
    AMD9552.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series"
    AMD9552.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series"
    AMD944A.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series"
    AMD9498.1 = "ATI Radeon HDG 4670"
    AMD94C3.9 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400"
    AMD94C3.10 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400"
    AMD94C3.11 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400"
    AMD94C3.12 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO"
    AMD94C1.6 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT"
    AMD94C1.7 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT"
    AMD94C1.8 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT"
    AMD94C1.9 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT"
    AMD94C3.13 = "ATI Radeon HD 3410"
    AMD9589.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 3610"
    AMD944A.3 = "ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series"
    AMD955F.1 = "ATI Desktop Radeon HD 4500/4300 Series"
    AMD94C3.14 = "ATI Radeon HD 2350 Series"
    AMD94C3.15 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 LE"
    AMD95C5.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 3450"
    AMD95C0.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 3550"
    AMD95C5.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 3550"
    AMD9591.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series"
    AMD9581.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series"
    AMD9583.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series"
    AMD9598.4 = "ATI Radeon HD 3730"
    AMD9505.4 = "ATI Radeon HD 3850"
    AMD95C5.3 = "ATI Radeon HD 4230"
    AMD95C5.4 = "ATI Radeon HD 4230"
    AMD95C5.5 = "ATI Radeon HD 4250"
    AMD95C5.6 = "ATI Radeon HD 4250"
    AMD95C5.7 = "ATI Radeon HD 4300 Series"
    AMD9552.3 = "ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series"
    AMD9598.5 = "ATI Radeon HD 4570"
    AMD9505.5 = "ATI Radeon HD 4730"
    AMD9505.6 = "ATI Radeon HD 4730"
    AMD9505.7 = "ATI Radeon HD 4750"
    AMD9505.8 = "ATI Radeon HD 4750"
    AMD9480.1 = "ATI Radeon HD4650"
    AMD9552.4 = "VisionTek Radeon 4350"
    AMD955F.2 = "VisionTek Radeon 4350"
    AMD944A.4 = "ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series"
    AMD9552.5 = "VisionTek Radeon 4350"
    AMD955F.3 = "VisionTek Radeon 4350"
    AMD9598.6 = "VisionTek Radeon HD 2600 Pro"
    AMD9598.7 = "VisionTek Radeon HD 2600 XT"
    AMD94C3.16 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO"
    AMD94C3.17 = "ATI Radeon HD 3410"
    AMD9589.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 3610"
    AMD954F.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 4550"
    AMD954F.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 4550"
    AMD9555.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 4550"
    AMD9498.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 4650"
    AMD9498.3 = "ATI Radeon HD 4650"
    AMD9498.4 = "ATI Radeon HD 4650"
    AMD9498.5 = "ATI Radeon HD 4670"
    AMD9498.6 = "ATI Radeon HD 4670"
    AMD94B3.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 4770"
    AMD944A.5 = "ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series"
    AMD944C.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 4830"
    AMD944C.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 4830"
    AMD9442.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 4850"
    AMD9442.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 4850"
    AMD9440.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 4870"
    AMD9440.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 4870"
    AMD9440.3 = "ATI Radeon HD 4870"
    AMD9440.4 = "ATI Radeon HD 4870"
    AMD9441.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2"
    AMD9555.2 = "ATI Radeon HD4300/HD4500 series"
    AMD954F.3 = "XFX Radeon HD 4570"
    AMD94C3.18 = "ATI Radeon HD 2350 Series"
    AMD94C3.19 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO"
    AMD94C3.20 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO"
    AMD94C3.21 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO"
    AMD94C3.22 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO"
    AMD94C3.23 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO"
    AMD95C0.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 3550"
    AMD95C0.3 = "ATI Radeon HD 3570"
    AMD9589.3 = "ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series"
    AMD95C5.8 = "ATI Radeon HD 4250"
    AMD95C0.4 = "ATI Radeon HD 4250"
    AMD95C5.9 = "ATI Radeon HD 4250"
    AMD9552.6 = "ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series"
    AMD9553.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series"
    AMD954F.4 = "ATI Radeon HD 4450"
    AMD954F.5 = "ATI Radeon HD 4520"
    AMD9598.8 = "ATI Radeon HD 4570"
    AMD9598.9 = "ATI Radeon HD 4580"
    AMD9540.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 4590"
    AMD9598.10 = "ATI Radeon HD 4610"
    AMD9490.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 4710"
    AMD9505.9 = "ATI Radeon HD 4730"
    AMD9505.10 = "ATI Radeon HD 4750"
    AMD9501.3 = "ATI Radeon HD 4750"
    AMD9505.11 = "ATI Radeon HD 4750"
    AMD944A.6 = "ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series"
    AMD944E.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 4810 Series"
    AMD944E.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 4810 series"
    AMD9555.3 = "ATI Radeon HD4300/HD4500 series"
    AMD95C0.5 = "Sapphire Radeon HD 3550"
    AMD9501.4 = "Sapphire Radeon HD 3690"
    AMD9505.12 = "Sapphire Radeon HD 3690"
    AMD9598.11 = "Sapphire Radeon HD 3730"
    AMD9598.12 = "Sapphire Radeon HD 3750"
    AMD954F.6 = "Sapphire Radeon HD4570"
    AMD94C3.24 = "ATI Radeon HD 2350 Series"
    AMD94C3.25 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 LE"
    AMD9589.4 = "ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series"
    AMD9501.5 = "ATI Radeon HD 3690"
    AMD9505.13 = "ATI Radeon HD 3690"
    AMD95C5.10 = "ATI Radeon HD 4250"
    AMD95C5.11 = "ATI Radeon HD 4300 Series"
    AMD9552.7 = "ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series"
    AMD954F.7 = "ATI Radeon HD 4450"
    AMD954F.8 = "ATI Radeon HD 4520"
    AMD9540.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 4590"
    AMD9598.13 = "ATI Radeon HD 4610"
    AMD9498.7 = "ATI Radeon HD 4700"
    AMD9490.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 4710"
    AMD9498.8 = "ATI Radeon HD 4720"
    AMD944E.3 = "ATI Radeon HD 4730 Series"
    AMD944A.7 = "ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series"
    AMD944E.4 = "ATI Radeon HD 4810 Series"
    AMD944E.5 = "ATI Radeon HD 4820"
    AMD94C3.26 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400"
    AMD95C5.12 = "ATI Radeon HD 4230"
    AMD9552.8 = "ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series"
    AMD954F.9 = "ATI Radeon HD 4450"
    AMD9598.14 = "ATI Radeon HD 4570"
    AMD9598.15 = "ATI Radeon HD 4580"
    AMD9490.3 = "ATI Radeon HD 4710"
    AMD9505.14 = "ATI Radeon HD 4750"
    AMD944A.8 = "ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series"
    AMD9598.16 = "ATI Radeon HD3750"
    AMD94C3.27 = "Qimonda Radeon HD 2400 PRO"
    AMD9589.5 = "Qimonda Radeon HD 2600 PRO"
    AMD9588.1 = "Qimonda Radeon HD 2600 XT"
    AMD95C5.13 = "Qimonda Radeon HD 3450"
    AMD95C5.14 = "Qimonda Radeon HD 3450"
    AMD9591.2 = "VisionTek Radeon HD 2600/3600 Series"
    AMD9519.1 = "AMD FireStream 9170"
    AMD9452.1 = "AMD FireStream 9250"
    AMD9450.1 = "AMD FireStream 9270"
    AMD9713.1 = "ATI Mobility Radeon 4100"
    AMD94C9.1 = "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2400"
    AMD94C8.1 = "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2400 XT"
    AMD9581.3 = "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600"
    AMD9583.2 = "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600 XT"
    AMD95C4.1 = "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3400 Series"
    AMD95C2.1 = "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3430"
    AMD9591.3 = "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650"
    AMD9593.1 = "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3670"
    AMD9504.1 = "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3850"
    AMD9506.1 = "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3850 X2"
    AMD9508.1 = "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3870"
    AMD9509.1 = "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3870 X2"
    AMD9712.1 = "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4200 Series"
    AMD9552.9 = "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4300 Series"
    AMD9555.4 = "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series"
    AMD9553.2 = "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4500/5100 Series"
    AMD9480.2 = "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650"
    AMD9488.1 = "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4670"
    AMD94A0.1 = "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4830"
    AMD944A.9 = "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4850"
    AMD94A1.1 = "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4860"
    AMD945A.1 = "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4870"
    AMD9616.1 = "ATI Radeon 3000 Graphics"
    AMD9611.1 = "ATI Radeon 3100 Graphics"
    AMD9613.1 = "ATI Radeon 3100 Graphics"
    AMD94C7.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 2350"
    AMD94C3.28 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 Series"
    AMD94C1.10 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 Series"
    AMD94CC.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 2400 Series"
    AMD9589.6 = "ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO"
    AMD958A.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 2600 X2 Series"
    AMD9588.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT"
    AMD9405.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 2900 GT"
    AMD9403.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 2900 PRO"
    AMD9400.3 = "ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT"
    AMD9610.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics"
    AMD9612.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics"
    AMD9614.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 3300 Graphics"
    AMD95C0.6 = "ATI Radeon HD 3400 Series"
    AMD95C5.15 = "ATI Radeon HD 3400 Series"
    AMD9598.17 = "ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series"
    AMD9501.6 = "ATI Radeon HD 3800 Series"
    AMD9505.15 = "ATI Radeon HD 3800 Series"
    AMD9507.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 3830"
    AMD9513.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 3850 X2"
    AMD9513.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 3850 X2"
    AMD950F.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2"
    AMD9710.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 4200"
    AMD9715.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 4250"
    AMD9714.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 4290"
    AMD954F.10 = "ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series"
    AMD9540.3 = "ATI Radeon HD 4550"
    AMD9490.4 = "ATI Radeon HD 4600 Series"
    AMD9498.9 = "ATI Radeon HD 4600 Series"
    AMD944E.6 = "ATI Radeon HD 4700 Series"
    AMD944E.7 = "ATI Radeon HD 4700 Series"
    AMD94B4.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 4700 Series"
    AMD94B3.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 4770"
    AMD94B5.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 4770"
    AMD9440.5 = "ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series"
    AMD9442.3 = "ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series"
    AMD944C.3 = "ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series"
    AMD9460.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series"
    AMD9462.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series"
    AMD9443.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 4850 X2"
    AMD9441.2 = "ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2"
     
    asder00, Jul 6, 2012
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  2. SamuelMaki

    SamuelMaki Member

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    No windows 8 support?
     
    SamuelMaki, Jul 6, 2012
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  3. Espionage724

    Espionage724 Guest

    Try installing it, and then check your WDDM level. If it's 1.2, then there is Win8 support...
     
    Espionage724, Jul 6, 2012
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  4. Grabber

    Grabber Master Guru

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    Getting a Virus alert when installing the video drivers, from my Norton Internet Security 2012.

    atiumdag.dll (Suspicious.Cloud.7.F)
     
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  5. mR Yellow

    mR Yellow Ancient Guru

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    When can we get another leaked version of the 9.00 strain?
     
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  6. vejn

    vejn Maha Guru

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    Thank you!!!
    Going to report back if Witcher EE opengl component and Hitman Blood money shaders are fixed.
     
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  7. ipredator

    ipredator Master Guru

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    Uninstall Norton and get MSE, its free and does a far better job without all the ridiculous false positives.

    On a side note, I'd love to see a a new 9.00 driver too :D
     
    ipredator, Jul 6, 2012
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  8. Benik3

    Benik3 Master Guru

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    Mobility mod? :)
     
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  9. vejn

    vejn Maha Guru

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    So, next legacy release will be 12.9 ?
     
    vejn, Jul 6, 2012
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  10. kevsamiga1974

    kevsamiga1974 Master Guru

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    And still the existing 4870x2 3d clock on 2nd ASIC at idle desktop bootup bug since 12.3. Except it's now worse, clocks can't be reset to video card bios defaults with amd gpu clock tool -i=* -restore anymore from the command line.

    The amdclocktool -i=* -restore trick used to reset all the adapters in the system to bios default values of 507/500 1.050V with Catalyst 12.3-12.4 now using 12.6 the same trick to fix the still borked clocks actually puts both clocks to 750/900/1.250V permanently eeek!.

    I've had to code a tiny app myself that opens and closes a 3D screen instead in order to fix it since ATI can't be bothered. Available here :

    http://www.mediafire.com/?mx7b6d7w3lq2984 35K

    Drop in startup folder. All it does is wait 12 seconds after bootup and then opens and immediately closes a low res 3D screen fixing the second clock bug on 4870x2 at least. Only x64 fix.

    ARGGGHHHHHH !!!! how long have they had to fix this stupidly obvious bug since february 12.2...yes i know I can open and close a 3d app, but I shouldn't have to everytime I reboot. Not for bloody months on end.

    Where is the avivo and hydravision hiding ?

    AVT startup popup window needs manually disabling on bootup in registry still.

    CCC is crashing...

    WEI score has gone down to 7.3 from 7.5 with these no amount of re-runs bring the score back up from 7.3.

    What's the point of newer drivers if nothing ever gets fixed despite being told the clock "problem" was supposed to be cured in 8.97, I think it's back to the last decent set where the clocks aint busted wasting electricity and slow cooking the card and where gpu transcoding still works in A's video converter and media espresso....That would be let's see 11.9 WHQL.

    This was the highlight funny part from the release notes :

    Would be nice if these features *actually* worked as they're supposed to instead of half the time being buggy/incomplete/broken/half-assed rolling from one driver to the next letting us play russian roulette across releases.

    I won't argue with the performance standpoint, it peaked around 10.5a and then was all downhill from there since Terry Makedon left.
     
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    kevsamiga1974, Jul 6, 2012
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  11. Mikedogg

    Mikedogg Banned

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    What. No fixes info?
     
    Mikedogg, Jul 6, 2012
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  12. vejn

    vejn Maha Guru

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    This is still beta.
    Try out then report any issuses and problems so they can fix it in final release.
     
    vejn, Jul 6, 2012
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  13. Miroglu

    Miroglu Active Member

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    Thanks asder
     
    Miroglu, Jul 6, 2012
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  14. pakoo

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    Fix crossfire in Bad company 2 on 69xx users?.

    Thanks.
     
    pakoo, Jul 6, 2012
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  15. kevsamiga1974

    kevsamiga1974 Master Guru

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    Read what the title says man...

    There's nothing contained in the .inf for above 4xxx series anymore as starting with this driver support has now been sectioned into legacy (I hate that word) and separate >=5xxx branches.

    These probably won't install on 69xx series anyhow without modding the .inf file which should in theory still be possible. The question is why would you want to use it as a 69xx series owner, there are already drivers for 5xxx and above with far higher versions than these.
     
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    Mikedogg Banned

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    Can't install media codecs, or hydravision.

    What a jib!.
     
    Mikedogg, Jul 6, 2012
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  17. GhostXL

    GhostXL Ancient Guru

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    Curious as to why you are trying to install these when you have a 5 series card. This is for HD 4 series and below.
     
    GhostXL, Jul 6, 2012
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  18. SamuelMaki

    SamuelMaki Member

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    I have both, 4200 integrated and 5650m. I cannot run the new drivers (I keep getting weird issues, everything works fine if I use some drivers that support both cards...) and I cannot run these drivers because the lack of 5650m driver... Well, I am not sure if I have been just installing "wrong" or having other issues with my windows 8, but with this driver policy, I cannot update my drivers anymore... But I am looking if the coming DNA-drivers supports both my cards...
     
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  19. Anonizer

    Anonizer New Member

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    So is this the best drivers for 4xxx series? Anyone tested?
     
    Anonizer, Jul 7, 2012
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  20. kevsamiga1974

    kevsamiga1974 Master Guru

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    Best if you like stuck clocks and CCC crashes. Since 12.x they just screwed everything up. Still on 11.9 and I can see me being on them for a long time.
     
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