AMD Big Navi Would Yield 40-50 percent more than the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti

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  1. Clawedge

    Clawedge Ancient Guru

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    NO IT WONT

    Please for the love of sanity, please stop with these sort of rumors and dreams. This sort of nonsense only leads to disappointments, broken hearts, and trolls.

    Assume NOTHING cos you have seen and heard NOTHING.

    A rumor is not even worth discussing.
     
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  2. Maddness

    Maddness Maha Guru

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    But where's the fun in that.
     
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  3. barbacot

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    First it was NVIDIA marketing: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/n...to-be-30-percent-faster-than-rtx-2080-ti.html
    Now people from AMD marketing were thinking: Why so shy??? - let's leak a "rumor" that our cards will be 50 % faster.
    I bet that next week there will be a "rumor" here that Ampere is 80 % faster and then again AMD with 120 % and so on...at some point NVIDIA will claim that their card can cure cancer and AMD will immediately claim that their card can cure the global hunger...
    RTX 2080Ti - poor card - was more mentioned in rumors about next generation cards than in real articles about itself...
     
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  4. Maddness

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    There's already rumors that Ampere is 70 to 90% faster.
     

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    ...than Volta and only in certain scenario...

    I think that from the AMD rumor is missing exactly this: " in certain scenarios" -they are bolder than NVIDIA I must admit.
     
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  6. Maddness

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    I thought it was the 2080Ti, but its only a rumor like everything else. But it does give us something to chat about.
     
  7. Loophole35

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    This leak actually comes from inside Nvidia. This is what Nvidia is targeting as AMD’s next card.
     
  8. JamesSneed

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    The 1800X wasn't a halo product is was easily mass producible. What Im saying is AMD should be making that tier higher that inst mass produced, that cost a ton, that very few will own, an actual halo product. Nvidia has done this for decades with the titans and top end TI's. They sell very few of these extremely high priced GPU's yet they are in every singe benchmark chart. This is how you win on marketing which for us here doesn't matter we will know better but for the general population perception matters. Hell its the sole reason people buy Bose because if it was sound quality nobody would have Bose systems.
     
  9. waltc3

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    AMD has a lot on its plate this year--with two separate consoles launched, with big Navi and Zen 3 on top. Did I forget to mention the APUs? Lots of stuff to cram into the next six months.
     
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    After Hilbert posts some hands-on numbers, that's when I let myself get excited. Been this way for many years, and I want to thank him for that. (Thank you, Hilbert!)
     
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  11. fantaskarsef

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    I believe it when I see it, as always. I hope AMD launches around the same time as Nvidia so reviews will be the most useful, giving an idea of what to buy as close to both launches as possible.
     
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    Defo didn't wrote Disney there. Guess it's censored for some weird reason. I meant G-Nexus.
     
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    You never had a multi-gpu setup, I suppose :).
     
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    Actually you make a very good point, I didn't think of it that way. However, I do believe though that the 1800X could be seen as an AMD halo product for its time as AMD hadn't be competitive for over a decade and were now going up against the top end (in its segment) Intel product. AMD could of charged more for it, but they knew in order to make it more enticing for people to switch over they priced aggressively. I believe this was all planned out in advanced and is one of the reasons why they went with the CCX design making smaller cheaper to make dies in order to be price competitive. It was the 1800X that was the initial swing around for AMD, their product that firmly told the world "we are back". When was the last time AMD had a desktop CPU in the price range of $499 before the 1800X? That to me is a halo product.

    Also Nvidia created a "halo product" in the form of the TITAN series by using what was meant to be their top end 700 series GPU. The first TITAN wasn't really a halo product it was because at the time AMD couldn't compete and Nvidia moved their product stack around. The same happened with the 600 series, the 680 was meant to the 670 as Nvidia was expecting more from 7970 and GCN. Where they released the 670 as the 680 to just edge out AMD and make more money on a less expensive chip that had better yields. AMD had to factory overclock the 7970 to the GHz edition to take the crown back. Ever since then Nvidia has been able to create new product stacks with lower end hardware in order to keep the crown but maximise profits.

    To me a true halo product is something that ticks all the boxes, new architecture, new node, at least double performance, priced competitively, and matures well. It's something that brings a dead brand back to life and is something that people remember. I would say the last true Nvidia halo product was probably the 8800GT.

    I guess people look at this from different angles, but I can understand what you said and it does make sense.
     
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    Can't see any point in an MCM config - this will waste space on memory controller and I/O pins which could be used for more shader/texture/raytracing blocks.

    I'm betting on 80 CU (5120 shader cores) and 350 mm2 monolithic core, with ~20 TFLOPs (single precision), HBM2E and MSRP of $600.
     

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    Did spell check get you on "hardware-assisted attracting" or is that something that I don't know about?
     
  17. alanm

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    Big Navi 40-50% faster... poor Ampere.
     
  18. mikeysg

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    Well, I'm up for a GPU upgrade come Sept or Oct, and with Ampere and Big NAVI, all I can say is, cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war!
     
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    AMD, please release a $200 card for 1440p 120 Hz gaming. Butter smooth gaming.
    And no, not the way 5600 was launched. That was a flop of a launch.
     
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    U can guess easily. Raytracing
     

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